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Try telling that to the FT and DM readers!
30th of June strikes.
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Try telling that to the FT and DM readers!
Most people in the private sector had the brains to realise that businesses unlike governments for the most part can not run in massive debt... therefore they either took the cuts to benefits i.e. pensions or pay increases etc... or a significant % lost their jobs... its not about being walked all over its about simple economics...
lets all go out and protest to keep our benefits... fair enough chaps you can keep your benefits but 15 - 20% of you are now being made redundant to pay for it or we will all lose our jobs in six months time because we can't afford to keep paying this level of remuneration.
I work in the private sector, and I very much support these public sector workers.
I can't stand people who get on their high horse "I sit on overclockers all day, but these public sector workers don't do any work blah blah so I get to sit here and criticise".
They are standing up for the pensions they were promised. I don't even get a pension at my job (still paid better than a teacher though) but if I did, I'd fight to keep what I was promised.
I can't stand people who get on their high horse "I sit on overclockers all day, but these public sector workers don't do any work blah blah so I get to sit here and criticise".
They are standing up for the pensions they were promised. I don't even get a pension at my job (still paid better than a teacher though) but if I did, I'd fight to keep what I was promised.
Its all a load of tosh, 29% vote to strike and they suddenly think that means everybody
Strike action decided by a minority in each union. Surely if the unions are to be taken seriously a vote of such importance should be mandatory?
I love the fact that maude and Cable go on about strike vote percentages, maybe they shouldnt **** in their own backyard
The NUT say otherwise.
Nothing has gone out to teachers yet or been presented to the unions yet.
They aren't fully funded yet. The problem with the 2007 negotiations is that the government of the time chickened out with dealing with the problem properly. Probably because the party pay masters started getting antsy.
I would say that the strikes are ideological, the wrong team won as far as the union movement is concerned and so they are going to try and cause as much trouble as possible. Sadly any legitimate concerns they have will be lost in the anti-government noise. I would certainly understand it more if the negotiations had ended, but as they are still ongoing this is a purely ideological move from the unions. The low turnout on the strike ballots doesn't help either as they will just hasten calls for a minimum turnout.
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They are already affordable. If a TV is £100 and I have £101 in my savings account that means I can afford to buy the TV. Having £200 in the account does not make the TV more affordable.
If the TV dropped to to £80 you wouldn't give the remaining £21 in your account away would you? You'd buy the next model up that has now dropped into the £100 bracket (i.e. you'd get a better product for your money).
What the government are proposing is that you have to have an £80 TV but you need to save £120 for it and they'll give that extra £40 to someone else.
indeed im surprised OCUK is so hard right wing and tory loving, its like Thatchers wet dream around here sometimes, this has to be the most sensible post ever, thank you!
Im simply sticking up for what I was promised in a contract with the government, if i break my contract I get sacked, they are breaking their end of the deal so im going on strike!
Eh?
They asked people they wanted to strike, over half said no, and they still do it. I think regardless of the amount of votes they obviously wanted to do it anyway
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Are you quite sure that's accurate? Because if that were true, everyone would stick their pension contributions into high interest long-term savings accounts instead.
No, over half of the people that voted said they wanted to go on strike. Less than 40% of each unions' members bothered to vote. I'll restate it, a vote of such import should be mandatory.
92% of the NUT members that voted, voted yes. 40% of the total membership bothered to vote. 83% of the ATL members that voted, voted yes. 35% of the total membership voted..
so should choosing a government but you keep ignoring the fact that the majority did not vote for this government, but yet we are still lumbered with the tory scum
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Are you a communist? Sounds a bit left wing authoritarianism for my liking!
What? Over half didn't didn't no.
Not voting is NOT the same as a no vote (or a yes vote).
Democratically you can only make a decision on the ballot papers returned.
Turnout is not important - there are various reasons why people don't vote - holidays, hospital admittance, lost post, time pressures and yes I'll admit apathy.
Saying a vote is invalid because of a low turnout is a no-go imo, otherwise we'd never have an elected government!
the point is that it's not fair but nor are a lot of things in life.. pension agreements were made in good faith but they are now simply untenable.. we are not in the same economic climate, everyone is making sacrifices and the public sector are asked to do the same thing and they throw their toys out of the pram. I have very little sympathy when their first response is to shout strike and run to the streets thus messing everyone else up... they will very quickly lose public support when the majority of the private sector are in a worse position and will be thinking stop your moaning and get on with it like the rest of us.. Lifes not fair suck it up
Yeah, it isn't like we have an absolute ton of very vocal left wing posters...oh hang on we do!
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Ignore the teachers. Most of them are completely incapable of doing anything else and will never quit their job.
So should a general election, but it isn't so we work within the current system
Until the Government arbitrarily change it to suit there own aims...oh, why does that sound familiar..
I haven't ignored anything to do with the coalition government. We're not talking about the coalition government here, we're talking about the governments seeming refusal to negotiate, unions and the upcoming strike. "Tory scum"? Do put your handbag away before you hurt yourself with it.
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