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Onboard ATi/AMD with Nvidia card, possible issue?

Duderooni

Duderooni

Duderooni

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I'm running a mother board with a built in ATi 4200 GPU, and in my infinite wisdom back in october I thought getting a Geforce 460 GTX was a good idea. Ive been experiencing stuttering (which i've made a few threads about) and I'm still trying to get the bottom of these problems.

My question is this, does having a nvidia card in an chipset with on board ATi graphics cause issues? I cant imagine AMD isolating their customers into only using their own graphic cards considering the market share Nvidia hold, even if they are their biggest enemys because it would be like shooting themselves in the foot.

Another question I have is how do I remove every part of ATI/AMD drivers to do with display so I can have a clean installation of the nvidia drivers. Ive tried driver sweeper, and I can still find ati files dotted around.. And after rebooting I go back into driver sweeper and still find stuff in there after 'analyzing'. This is in safe mode aswell. So basically, I'm either doing it wrong or its doesnt work. Awesome stuff.

I cant understand why the hell my 'mother board chip set driver', that I grab straight from gigabytes website, basically seems to be a version of ATi Catalyst drivers under another file name. Surely that is asking for trouble when I'm running a 460 GTX in here, its no wonder my vsync is so messed up. Would I be better off having the chipset running with some basic stock MS driver?

If anyone has ran into this problem themselves or can offer any advice, it would be MUCH appreciated. I have no idea whether my problem is windows 7, my graphics card or what! :confused:
 
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Uninstall drivers including chipset drivers, you are right, they are only for the graphics onboard, you do not need them if you are not using the onboard. Remove every AMD / ATI catalyst folder and reboot.

Install the nvidia drivers, reboot, should be sorted.
 
The onboard GPU should disable automatically if you put in a discrete one, at least mine did without having to touch anything in BIOS. Remove old drivers, install the new ones (from the internet, not the CD as they'll be outdated) and you're set.
 
GTX460 (and related cards), do have a history of being a bit "fussy" about which motherboard they like to live in.

My experience of switching from an ATI HD4850 to a GTX460 was rather unpleasant. Although your problem might not be quite the same, this is worth looking at.........

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=187401&st=0

I had no onboard graphics, both GTX460 and my Motherboard are both Gigabyte, and my first GTX460 worked perfectly in 3 other machines, but not with my Motherboard (I changed every other item, and still it wouldn't play ball with my MB). Sent the MB back to Gigabyte, and it tested fine. Sent the GTX460 and the MB for testing, they replaced the GTX460. The returned GTX460 didn't work in another Gigabyte board that I was temporarily using with the first GTX460, when my Motherboard was first sent back.

In other words, it was the hardest upgrade I ever made.
 
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Right, in reply to your posts, my on board graphics is totally disabled in the bios.

Nkata, as I said in the post above I'm trying to remove all drivers (Nvidia AND ATi) to do a clean sweep but in order to do that I need to know whether I'm really removing all traces of previous drivers. The driver sweeper program is giving me grief.

Girafferider, yea I think mine is disabling too, nothing comes out of the on board graphics output when my card is in. Yet im not convinced there arent some deep inbedded drivers messing with my system. Again, the removing of old drivers is not so easy because the software im trying to use is.. basically crap.

Derv, I'm having a read through the thread now, theres plenty about lock ups but im not actually having lock ups. Im just getting stuttering about every second which throws the fluidity of every game completely off. I did try a 5850 in here in the past (on windows xp) and it didnt help.... although when i switched back the 460 performed better. Im better that i managed to some how clear off the old ATi crap when i took off the 5850. I need to some how GET RID of these damn ATi drivers..
 
Duderooni,

I'm sure I read a few reports on that forum thread, even though the main topic is about lockups.

I know it's a pain, but if you have a spare hard drive and half an hour, how about a clean install of Windows to see if it clears the problem ? At least you'll know it isn't driver/software related.
 
Just reformatted.

1. Installed Windows 7
2. Clean desktop, install driversweep. no ATI/AMD or NVIDIA drivers detected.
3. Installed NVIDIA drivers.
4. Reboot, flash up Nvidia control panel to be greeted with the same nvidia logo rotating with the same out of sync strange juddering motion.

Absolutely ridiculous. Considering another reformat and back to good old XP. I may try windows 8 when it comes out when I have a new build perhaps, but I will NEVER waste my time with this terrible OS ever again unless I sort this tonight.
 
nkata said:
Uninstall drivers including chipset drivers, you are right, they are only for the graphics onboard, you do not need them if you are not using the onboard. Remove every AMD / ATI catalyst folder and reboot.
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not only for the gfx , they contain the north bridge filter driver and southbridge driver and usb
 
Duderooni said:
Absolutely ridiculous. Considering another reformat and back to good old XP. I may try windows 8 when it comes out when I have a new build perhaps, but I will NEVER waste my time with this terrible OS ever again unless I sort this tonight.
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Lol.

Problems not with windows >_>
 
well my psu isn't the best and it will be the next thing i replace, but like i said, it didn't seem to be an issue in XP so i can't really see it being to do with power.. i could easily be wrong though.

i get the feeling its like a sync issue where the video is outputting the graphics at one refresh rate, and the monitor is displaying it in another. perhaps viewsonics windows 7 drivers are as unstable as their website.
 
If i put it in 50hz everything is slower but there is NO stuttering at all, what program can I use to control the refresh rate timings?

My monitor is displaying this:

H. Freq 67.5 KHz
V. Freq 60 Hz
Pixel Clock 148.0000 Mhz

My 460 is outputting this:

H. Freq 67.5 KHz
V. Freq 60 Hz
Pixel Clock 148.5000 Mhz

No matter what I do I cant change that in Nvidias settings. Can someone please help me out with this? Its just a complete nightmare
 
Lemin said:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/33641-screen-refresh-rate-custom-nvidia-brand.html
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Thanks, interesting read. To update I tried that, but it didnt change much, but what i've done now is use a DVI-VGA adaptor to make the connection via VGA cable. The resolutions are now all matching and the timings are all matching too (including both saying 148.500Mhz pixel clock..) But still it exists!? Im going absolutely mad I'm sure of it!! Power supply comes tomorrow, I damn sure hope its that because otherwise I'm totally out of ideas
 
Surely leaving the AMD/ATi drivers there would be best considering it also contains the northbridge chipset? I had a similiar set up few years back with an Nvidia 780i chipset and an ATi 4870, with both Nvidia Control Panel and CCC installed.

Lets see how the new PSU goes, which PSU did you buy?
 
I went for a 600w Cosair PSU, should be here tomorrow like I said, I doubt it will fix my frame rate problems but this will put my mind at rest about my aging PSU at least..

I've installed the ATi MB drivers by the way, it has installed southbridge stuff, but no north bridge options..?!
 
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