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It's not a welcome change, it was fine in BF2
how does that stop camping?
that just means you have no hope of ever rushing as a recon and you're forced to camp.
no quick marks man shots in the medium range aas you've got to take an extra second or two before you can fire :/
Ill have to get them back on again, though itll be a few days. Just bought myself an ssd, so tomorrow i have to reinstall windows again, second time this month.yeah steady following still . cod 1 is most popular but cant stand no sprint
if u install them add me on xfire ill have a game of cod or uo
I've always hated snipers in an arcade shooter system, especially ones which are simply point and click, with bullet drop and breathing this slows the pace a little, which is great because I don't find many snipers promoting teamplay well.
eh?
So hang on snipers moving up with the team acting as marksmen taking out the more trouble some targets (ie medics to stop revives or engies before they can destroy a tank, or someone camped with a heavy mg, or in bf3 squad leaders)is bad yet you think them lying down on a hill miles back only firing once a minute with a kill rate so slow it's pointless is some how better team play?
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If they fix knives I will be a very happy bunny, going for platinum knife at the moment and my god sometimes I stab someone 3 times, it makes the sound and I get hit markers, but they dont die. Makes me rage.
eh?
So hang on snipers moving up with the team acting as marksmen taking out the more trouble some targets (ie medics to stop revives or engies before they can destroy a tank, or someone camped with a heavy mg, or in bf3 squad leaders)is bad yet you think them lying down on a hill miles back only firing once a minute with a kill rate so slow it's pointless is some how better team play?
Good points, but it means you won't get those stalemates where you can't attack due to the 10 snipers camping that part of the map. It just means you'll have to get good at sniping and pick your shots.
Id rather have one decent sniper who moves up with the team, than 6 or seven who lie back camping. Theyre of no benefit whatsoever. And the thing ive found with bfbc2, 99% of theese camping recons cant hit a barn door at range. If your moving with the squad/team, you can throw recon sensors to cover the advance to each objective. Theres always plenty of players on assault to keep you supplied with sensors.
You don't get that now.
If you're being stopped by 10 snipers you've got serious problems.
makes no difference really how good you are, if they lower your kill rate enough snipers will be pointless as you won't be able to out kill the spawning, especially as your going to be lying prone somewhere holding your breath and unable to see the front line fighting to help.
Is it worth the read? If so, could some kind soul copy + paste the article here as I'm at work
The nineties had Mario and Sonic, the noughties brought us Guitar Hero versus Rock Band, and now? Now we’ve got Battlefield going up against Call of Duty in the war of screaming men, waged by two publishers who shout just as hard and twice as loud.
It’s a fight Activision’s nonplussed about but one that EA’s spoiling for, and the tale of the tape at this year’s E3 was fascinating in itself. Modern Warfare 3’s on-stage demo was a short sharp shot of everything that Call of Duty has come to mean: an aggressive spectacle where World War III is a skybox for a very violent yet undeniably alluring game of whack-a-mole.
Battlefield 3, on the other hand, would like to paint itself as the more considered side of the coin. The game’s E3 demo was relatively plodding, a Jarhead to Modern Warfare 3’s Team America, and the choice of location for the game’s behind-closed-doors multiplayer reveal makes that sentiment all the more explicit; whereas Infinity Ward has taken a wrecking ball to New York for its latest, here DICE takes Paris as the backdrop for its own take on modern warfare.
The message would seem to be that Battlefield 3’s the more refined, more cultured and more European choice. It’s certainly the prettiest, and the startling promise of the game’s early teaser videos is delivered upon fully - although this is done on PCs that look like they’d comfortably house a family of four and would require an appropriate mortgage (hands-on with console versions is a privilege currently reserved for US chat show hosts).
With the heavy script of the single-player thrown out of the window, it’s short of a little shock and awe, but the basic spectacle is intact. DICE’s Frostbite 2 engine brings a handsome Paris noon to life, and this particular map does its best to show the game’s lighting model at work in every situation. A lush urban park is lit by bright midday sunshine, from which players storm the subterranean metro that’s best navigated by the beam of a torchlight, before returning to fight between shop fronts that crumble with delightful conviction.
'Battlefield 3' Screenshot 1
The sound is dominated by the piercing chink of cracking tiles in the Metro station as a ticket hall is slowly degraded in a pitched firefight, while out on the streets, cascading facades can now cause physical harm. It’s an addition that feels like an acknowledgement of one of Bad Company 2’s greatest thrills, wherein it was possible to level whole buildings and obliterate entire squads that were seeking cover within.
The map is also a showcase for DICE’s design skills; the seasoned multiplayer cartographers have a wonderful knack for orchestrating the chaos of battle through canny architecture. Playing host to Rush mode, the Operation Metro map is multi-tiered, with the capturing of M-Com points unlocking new areas. There’s a well-maintained pace to the match that plays out, the opening park enabling squads to organize their attacks and capitalize on several flanking positions before funnelling the fight into the claustrophobic confines of the metro. The noisy climax in the streets above is a fitting end to a squad’s hard work.
As a snapshot of what Battlefield 3’s multiplayer will offer, it’s thrilling, though there’s understandable concern from those who were fighting the good fight before the series made the move to console. Bad Company 2’s maps were weighted away from the vast, open-ended maps of the mainline games and the multi-vehicle combat only played into a fraction of its selection. The narrow, defined paths of Downtown Paris suggest the same could be true here. DICE is adamant that won’t be the case, and there is the briefest of glimpses of the vehicle combat that’s been Battlefield’s bread and butter.
A heavy metal APC is the only ride available on the map, and while it doesn’t have the allure of either a tank, a helicopter or one of the returning jets, it does introduce Battlefield 3’s new philosophy for its vehicles. Customisable load-outs are now available for vehicles as well as infantry, the APC in question equipped in this instance with a coaxial machine gun - all the better for turning opposing soldiers into red paste. The driver will be privy to different optics.
Alongside the retooled vehicles, the backbone of Battlefield has been subject to a fairly dramatic overhaul. The class system has been rethought, the most aggressive example being the amalgamation of the Medic and Assault classes. It’s a streamlining that’s justified well enough by DICE; the thinking goes that as the Assault class are the guys on the front line dealing out the damage, so too are they best placed to deal with the consequences. There’s a very real danger that the balance may have tipped too much in the Assault class’s favour, but it’s a balancing act that, from the briefest of plays, seems to currently be in check.
Other changes are subtle but far-reaching; Engineers now have a flashlight slung under their guns, which proves useful in the dark, dank confines of the Metro, and Snipers have been tempered by their need to now hold their breath to fire off a steady shot. It’s a welcome change, designed to counteract the sniper camping that’s blighted many an online shooter.
And then there’s the Support class, returning with a new suite of tricks, having been looked over by the Bad Company games. The light machine gun is still their tool of choice, though a portable bipod now means it can be mounted across various surfaces, be that a bullet-eaten wall or the bonnet of a stricken car. Playing to this is an all-new suppression mechanic: spraying the enemy with fire and keeping them pinned down will now be met with a trickle of XP, a neat reward for an expanded role in the game.
'Battlefield 3' Screenshot 2
Faith’s gymnastics understandably don’t make their way across and the whole process is automated, but it’s enough to lend Battlefield 3 a physicality that’s absent from other shooters. The hardware plays its part too, the guns having a raw edge in the hand that makes them feel, on the PC’s mouse and keyboard at least, very alive.
Battlefield 3 is a very different game to that which it is being pitched against, and also to that which has gone before it in the series. The Bad Company series has schooled DICE in the appetites of a console audience, and its lessons are explicit in the immediacy of the action in its return to the mainline series. It strikes a middle ground that’s likely to offend as many as it appeases, stopping a little short of Battlefield 2’s nuance, while offering a more intricate game than that seen on the hyper-caffeinated killing fields of Modern Warfare.
There’s more to come from either side in the run-up to release, but one things for sure: October’s going to be very, very noisy.
It’s a fight Activision’s nonplussed about but one that EA’s spoiling for, and the tale of the tape at this year’s E3 was fascinating in itself. Modern Warfare 3’s on-stage demo was a short sharp shot of everything that Call of Duty has come to mean: an aggressive spectacle where World War III is a skybox for a very violent yet undeniably alluring game of whack-a-mole.
Battlefield 3, on the other hand, would like to paint itself as the more considered side of the coin. The game’s E3 demo was relatively plodding, a Jarhead to Modern Warfare 3’s Team America, and the choice of location for the game’s behind-closed-doors multiplayer reveal makes that sentiment all the more explicit; whereas Infinity Ward has taken a wrecking ball to New York for its latest, here DICE takes Paris as the backdrop for its own take on modern warfare.
The message would seem to be that Battlefield 3’s the more refined, more cultured and more European choice. It’s certainly the prettiest, and the startling promise of the game’s early teaser videos is delivered upon fully - although this is done on PCs that look like they’d comfortably house a family of four and would require an appropriate mortgage (hands-on with console versions is a privilege currently reserved for US chat show hosts).
With the heavy script of the single-player thrown out of the window, it’s short of a little shock and awe, but the basic spectacle is intact. DICE’s Frostbite 2 engine brings a handsome Paris noon to life, and this particular map does its best to show the game’s lighting model at work in every situation. A lush urban park is lit by bright midday sunshine, from which players storm the subterranean metro that’s best navigated by the beam of a torchlight, before returning to fight between shop fronts that crumble with delightful conviction.
'Battlefield 3' Screenshot 1
It’s a chance for Frostbite 2 to flex its muscle and parade its subtly improved destructibility, an area that DICE helped to pioneer with the Bad Company games and one that, for all of its profound impact on second-to-second play, has seen surprisingly little pick-up elsewhere in the genre.picture caption said:
The sound is dominated by the piercing chink of cracking tiles in the Metro station as a ticket hall is slowly degraded in a pitched firefight, while out on the streets, cascading facades can now cause physical harm. It’s an addition that feels like an acknowledgement of one of Bad Company 2’s greatest thrills, wherein it was possible to level whole buildings and obliterate entire squads that were seeking cover within.
The map is also a showcase for DICE’s design skills; the seasoned multiplayer cartographers have a wonderful knack for orchestrating the chaos of battle through canny architecture. Playing host to Rush mode, the Operation Metro map is multi-tiered, with the capturing of M-Com points unlocking new areas. There’s a well-maintained pace to the match that plays out, the opening park enabling squads to organize their attacks and capitalize on several flanking positions before funnelling the fight into the claustrophobic confines of the metro. The noisy climax in the streets above is a fitting end to a squad’s hard work.
As a snapshot of what Battlefield 3’s multiplayer will offer, it’s thrilling, though there’s understandable concern from those who were fighting the good fight before the series made the move to console. Bad Company 2’s maps were weighted away from the vast, open-ended maps of the mainline games and the multi-vehicle combat only played into a fraction of its selection. The narrow, defined paths of Downtown Paris suggest the same could be true here. DICE is adamant that won’t be the case, and there is the briefest of glimpses of the vehicle combat that’s been Battlefield’s bread and butter.
A heavy metal APC is the only ride available on the map, and while it doesn’t have the allure of either a tank, a helicopter or one of the returning jets, it does introduce Battlefield 3’s new philosophy for its vehicles. Customisable load-outs are now available for vehicles as well as infantry, the APC in question equipped in this instance with a coaxial machine gun - all the better for turning opposing soldiers into red paste. The driver will be privy to different optics.
Alongside the retooled vehicles, the backbone of Battlefield has been subject to a fairly dramatic overhaul. The class system has been rethought, the most aggressive example being the amalgamation of the Medic and Assault classes. It’s a streamlining that’s justified well enough by DICE; the thinking goes that as the Assault class are the guys on the front line dealing out the damage, so too are they best placed to deal with the consequences. There’s a very real danger that the balance may have tipped too much in the Assault class’s favour, but it’s a balancing act that, from the briefest of plays, seems to currently be in check.
Other changes are subtle but far-reaching; Engineers now have a flashlight slung under their guns, which proves useful in the dark, dank confines of the Metro, and Snipers have been tempered by their need to now hold their breath to fire off a steady shot. It’s a welcome change, designed to counteract the sniper camping that’s blighted many an online shooter.
And then there’s the Support class, returning with a new suite of tricks, having been looked over by the Bad Company games. The light machine gun is still their tool of choice, though a portable bipod now means it can be mounted across various surfaces, be that a bullet-eaten wall or the bonnet of a stricken car. Playing to this is an all-new suppression mechanic: spraying the enemy with fire and keeping them pinned down will now be met with a trickle of XP, a neat reward for an expanded role in the game.
'Battlefield 3' Screenshot 2
Underpinning each and every one of the classes is a refined sense of movement, seemingly taking inspiration from a DICE stablemate that’s proving hard for the studio to leave behind. Mirror’s Edge’s dynamic approach to traversal makes its mark here, with the player’s body swinging into view as they athletically vault a low-slung obstacle.picture caption said:
Faith’s gymnastics understandably don’t make their way across and the whole process is automated, but it’s enough to lend Battlefield 3 a physicality that’s absent from other shooters. The hardware plays its part too, the guns having a raw edge in the hand that makes them feel, on the PC’s mouse and keyboard at least, very alive.
Battlefield 3 is a very different game to that which it is being pitched against, and also to that which has gone before it in the series. The Bad Company series has schooled DICE in the appetites of a console audience, and its lessons are explicit in the immediacy of the action in its return to the mainline series. It strikes a middle ground that’s likely to offend as many as it appeases, stopping a little short of Battlefield 2’s nuance, while offering a more intricate game than that seen on the hyper-caffeinated killing fields of Modern Warfare.
There’s more to come from either side in the run-up to release, but one things for sure: October’s going to be very, very noisy.
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Bloody hope not! Lamest of all 'weapons'.
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Detonated Claymores are pretty much just C4. Fit and forget Claymores are a bad idea. Can you imagine what maps would be like if even half a team took claymores? You wouldn't be able to move without exploding.
Id like to see a better kill radius, (if claymores are included), would be good to be able to take out tightly bunched squads, i found them very useful in joint operations, also very good for covering the approaches from behind you, particularly when sniping.
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