Is "Ryan Cleary" a member of this forum?
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They're probably well aware of the McKinnon case and have done it more for a pre-emptive measure incase Cleary ends up facing extradition than to garner public sympathy. And even then it might not work as McKinnon is still fighting.
To be fair, someone that locks themselves in their bedroom for weeks at a time to surf the web and threatens to slash his wrists if his 'net is cut off... is quite clearly affected by some sort of mental issue. Asperger's seems to fit.
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Why exactly does having assburgers give someone an excuse to get off of doing something wrong?
it doesnt imo as i said in the "lulzsec" thread in the gaming section.
here are my thoughts
someone suggested i was ignorant and other stuff and i finished off at the end with
well it is not something i have experienced, i have always known whats right or wrong regarding the law , since finding out i have autism i have not came across any information which has suggested people on the austic spectrum may have any issues with whats moraly wrong concerning the law.
i know about the whole "its not my fault" thing its been pointed out to me on more than a few occasions although i still swear its not my fault but generally i dont believe it was
i would never try to blame my autism for any crime i have commited and as far as i believe its just brought up as an excuse more inline with an abusive husband who blames the alchohol rather than himself.
maybe its viewed differently by people who dont actually have any autistic issues themself or just assumed that because of social confusion associated with autistic disorders that we also become confused with the law.
i dont kow how many other people on these forums have been diagnosed with beeing on the austic spectrum but i bet theres more than a few seeing as computers seems to be often one of the "routines/hobbies/obessions" we get into, maybe it would be worth trying to find out what some other autistic forum members believe regarding knowing wether or not doing something is against the law
as far as im concerned he comited the acts knowing they were against the law and should be charged and punished just the same as everyone else would, however sticking him in a regular prison with other inmates wouldnt be a good idea he would find it very uncomfortable and probably start to feel suicidal aswell as end up beeing bullied something rotten.
if he was kept seperated mostly from other inmates im sure he would be fine aslong as he have something to help him pass the time, arent they given gaming consoles anyway? ive got a few crims on my facebook and they have CRT tvs , steros and ps2's in what looks to be a cell on their profile pictures
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When I was younger, I pretty much had an addiction to CS. Remember having screaming matches with my parents if they walked in during a clan game or having a huge argument with my dad because I stayed up into the early hours to watch CPL matches. Doesn't mean anything, grew out of it eventually and put my priorities straight.
Used to do weird stuff when bored like counting in 2's or 5's the frames of my window up to 100 and then start again. Not sure how I stopped myself doing this but it was something that affected me for years. Bet I could have milked being on the autistic/aspergers sprectrum if I wanted to push it that way.
Used to do weird stuff when bored like counting in 2's or 5's the frames of my window up to 100 and then start again. Not sure how I stopped myself doing this but it was something that affected me for years. Bet I could have milked being on the autistic/aspergers sprectrum if I wanted to push it that way.
doubtful as beeing on the autistic spectrum is much more than this and i doubt you would be able to fool anyone its not like a regular GP or nurse diagnoses you and i cant believe anyone would be able to fake the tell tale signs,. they also look back into your childhood to see how you were growing up , what you were like at school etc its a very complex diagnosis.
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Surely if you're autistic then you're well aware that the broadness and the severity with which people suffer from their conditions is extremely wide and varied. For example your symptoms and behaviours may not be as extreme and as intense as others.
In the case of McKinnon and now Cleary, it's obvious that they have problems as they have focused on specific areas of interest to the detriment of things like social interaction.
I don't think it's a case of them trying to use aspergers syndrome for an "it made me do it" thing, but the underlying condition caused them to focus on the pursuit of their interest despite knowing that what they were doing was illegal. McKinnon acknowledges that he was well aware that what he did was against the law, but his pursuit of suppressed technology by the US government is what drove him. I'm sure Cleary knows that what he was doing was illegal as well.
But this comment you made interests me;
It would be extremely interesting (especially with the volume of users on this forum) to test a large portion who haven't been diagnosed, to see where on the spectrum they come. As you pointed out, we have a very focused and intense interest in technology and computers. I'm sure that a large number of users would appear somewhere on the spectrum, despite not considering themselves as suffering from the condition personally.
I'm borderline for OCD (and my programming shows it), personally I'm aware of for the most part of the compulsive side of my behavior and can control it (or atleast I like to believe so), someone with a more severe OCD condition with less self awareness I can quite imagine will only really realise what they've done after they've done it.
As a child there were concerns I might be Autistic due to spending a lot of time "in a world of my own" and having trouble with social interaction, however from testing I was considered borderline at best (and not at a level that would be considered a clinical case).
As a child there were concerns I might be Autistic due to spending a lot of time "in a world of my own" and having trouble with social interaction, however from testing I was considered borderline at best (and not at a level that would be considered a clinical case).
i know quite a lot about the autistic spectrum from researching it, as Rroff says if he has OCD then maybe he could use it as a reason.
aspergers however is not OCD and you can have one without the other.
also as i have autism it is highly likely i am more severe than someone who has aspergers syndrome, i could go into detail about my life and how autism has effected me but i would rather not discuss it on an internet forum , you would probably see me as beeing pretty severe although i am capable of being independent unlike a lot of people who have autism that require almost constant care for all their life.
i am bad enough that i was offered help, social services have been notified of my condition etc
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Hmm, it says 'has been diagnosed', does that mean during the course of the case or at some point in his life?
Completely understand if you don't want to go into it.
On the other hand, and Rroff as well, do you guys think that computers, or more specifically the internet and instant access to so much information has an affect on people or is a contributing factor in the number of cases of people developing or displaying OCD or Autistic/Aspergers type behaviours?
doubtful as its hardwired and just that we think diferently ,fairly recently it was discovered you can detect aspergers via a brain scan , people on the austic spectrum really do think differently to normal people its not an excuse for behaviour problems although i suspect a lot of people are classed as mild aspergers etc when in reality its just learned behavior from the parents..
most of the behavour problems associated with the autism spectrum are more to do with frustration at not beeing able to communicate and interact socially like everyone else can and generally its not directed at a person usually an object such as a door , wall etc
i guess it makes it easy for primary schools to blame aspergers or autism than to say some kids are just naughty
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