Hitler: Substance to the views?

Tell me what you think about the documentary (some of the "facts" are so bogus that they do destroy the credibility of the video though).

Also perhaps we should keep in mind that its not only the jews that hitler hated. Slavic nations (earster europeans) were to be mostly wiped out with the rest remaining to serve the more perfect aryan beings, the way biritsh/american pow were treated compared to the way soviets were treated.

That documentary if I remember well states that all he did was self defence, but Soviet was in peace with Germany at the time. Why would he invade USSR for any reason but maniac belief that he could conquer the world and wipe out all the non-perfect people.
 
Hitler believed that Stalin wasn't to be trusted and would ultimately attack Germany anyway. Prior to the war, Hitler was actually in secret talks with the USSR to be allies against Britain et al. with a view to attacking the Soviets later as Hitler saw it as an inevitability.

Hitler I suppose, just beat Stalin to the punch. The timing wasn't exactly smart though. One does wonder what intelligence was available to the Axis at the time.
 
Hitler believed that Stalin wasn't to be trusted and would ultimately attack Germany anyway. Prior to the war, Hitler was actually in secret talks with the USSR to be allies against Britain et al. with a view to attacking the Soviets later as Hitler saw it as an inevitability.

Hitler I suppose, just beat Stalin to the punch. The timing wasn't exactly smart though. One does wonder what intelligence was available to the Axis at the time.

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. USSR was completely unprepared for war. How can hitler could have thought that soviets would attack germany if soviets were not prepared for war. Stalin was gobsmacked, he could not believe hitler invaded ussr.

Opening second front was his first biggest mistakes and he invaded a country that didn't want to and was not ready for it. I guess thats perhaps why he did it, the whole blitzkrik, what was it, he thought he'd roll into moscow within a week or something I don't remember ;)

Still doesn't take away from his view that slavics as lowest class citizens that ought to be wiped out or be slaves.

EDIT: I'd have to notice that hitler's intelligence gathered that soviets were not prepared for war, its true that soviets did not expect it from germany but soviets were building up the red army as everyone was a potential enemy.
 
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Also, going out on a limb here, but I don't believe Hitler was evil. Delusional, yes. Fanatic, certainly. A meglomaniac, almost definitely. But, not evil.
Nah, Hitlers "die Endlösung der Judenfrage" (the final solution of the Jewish question) is pure evil. Try watching Der ewige Jude, ("The Eternal Jew") famous Nazi propaganda film.

At the end is a segment of Hitler's speech to the Reichstag January 30, 1939

Europe will not have peace until the Jewish question has been disposed of. The world has sufficient capacity for settlement, but we must finally break away from the notion that a certain percentage of the Jewish people are intended, by our dear God, to be the parasitic beneficiary of the body, and of the productive work, of other peoples.

Jewry must adapt itself to respectable constructive work, as other peoples do, or it will sooner or later succumb to a crisis of unimaginable proportions.

If the international finance-Jewry inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations into a world war yet again, then the outcome will not be the victory of Jewry, but rather the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!
 
Nah, Hitlers "die Endlösung der Judenfrage" (the final solution of the Jewish question) is pure evil. Try watching Der ewige Jude, ("The Eternal Jew") famous Nazi propaganda film.

At the end is a segment of Hitler's speech to the Reichstag January 30, 1939
Indeed Hitler blamed Jews for the outbreak of WWII. I think its widely known now that Hitler never wanted a full on world war with Britain and other western/northern/aryan nations so he was majorly ****** off about getting into it.

I can't remember if its in that film but I remember watching a video in school of some Nazi propaganda and I distinctly remember the phrase 'he buys and sells but creates nothing' when talking about the Jews. That phrase has stuck with me for some reason and that and what Hitler outlines as his reasons for hating 'Jewry' bear alarming resemblence to exactly what has just happened/is happening today. I think if you remove the word Jew from everything Hitler was at war with the 'banks'/capitalism - after all Hitler was a socialist. He was anti-capitalist and anti-communist.
 
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Indeed Hitler blamed Jews for the outbreak of WWII. I think its widely known now that Hitler never wanted a full on world war with Britain and other western/northern/aryan nations so he was majorly ****** off about getting into it.

I can't remember if its in that film but I remember watching a video in school of some Nazi propaganda and I distinctly remember the phrase 'he buys and sells but creates nothing' when talking about the Jews. That phrase has stuck with me for some reason and that and what Hitler outlines as his reasons for hating 'Jewry' bear alarming resemblence to exactly what has just happened/is happening today. I think if you remove the word Jew from everything Hitler was at war with the 'banks'/capitalism - after all Hitler was a socialist. He was anti-capitalist and anti-communist.

Well, banks do create wealth, credit creation. I'd say current financial structure has been doing far better than any other alternatives out there.

Also he may have believed in self-efficiency of a country but that didn't stop him from gathering a massive debt that at the end crushed the economy (which is what is happened now).
 
Nah, Hitlers "die Endlösung der Judenfrage" (the final solution of the Jewish question) is pure evil. Try watching Der ewige Jude, ("The Eternal Jew") famous Nazi propaganda film.

At the end is a segment of Hitler's speech to the Reichstag January 30, 1939

I believe we're being lost on semantics. Define to me what evil is.

I don't believe Hitler was evil because I don't belive that evil - in the sense of good vs. evil - exists.
 
Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. USSR was completely unprepared for war. How can hitler could have thought that soviets would attack germany if soviets were not prepared for war. Stalin was gobsmacked, he could not believe hitler invaded ussr.

Opening second front was his first biggest mistakes and he invaded a country that didn't want to and was not ready for it. I guess thats perhaps why he did it, the whole blitzkrik, what was it, he thought he'd roll into moscow within a week or something I don't remember ;)

Still doesn't take away from his view that slavics as lowest class citizens that ought to be wiped out or be slaves.

EDIT: I'd have to notice that hitler's intelligence gathered that soviets were not prepared for war, its true that soviets did not expect it from germany but soviets were building up the red army as everyone was a potential enemy.

Hilter expected to be at war with the soviets eventually. He saw Socialism and Fascism as incompatible with eachother. If his intelligence suggested an easy victory, then that is why he struck when he did; it was pre-emptive.
 
I believe we're being lost on semantics. Define to me what evil is.

I don't believe Hitler was evil because I don't belive that evil - in the sense of good vs. evil - exists.

Evil is the intention or effect of causing harm or destruction.

Taken from wiki :p

It is semantics over all. If you have your special definition of evil that is probably mostly spiritual thats fine, we can agree he wasn't exactly a good guy seen as killing innocent people based on their race was kind of his thing ;)
 
Hilter expected to be at war with the soviets eventually. He saw Socialism and Fascism as incompatible with eachother. If his intelligence suggested an easy victory, then that is why he struck when he did; it was pre-emptive.

Not only the incompatibility, he wanted to conquer russia to provide the space to live for his aryian nation too. So he didn't do it because it was pre-emptive. He was always going to invade it, it was is plan from the start.
 
Evil is the intention or effect of causing harm or destruction.

Taken from wiki :p

It is semantics over all. If you have your special definition of evil that is probably mostly spiritual thats fine, we can agree he wasn't exactly a good guy seen as killing innocent people based on their race was kind of his thing ;)

He didn't believe they were innocent though. In his world view the Jews were against Germany.

Semantics aside I think he was evil in any normal understanding of the word, I also think he could fairly be described as mad.
 
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He didn't believe they were innocent though. In his world view the Jews were against Germany.

well, I find it hard to believe he'd be threatened enough by a child to justify killing said child as a not innocent being.

If the jews thing doesn't do it for you we can look at the way he saw slavic nations as inferior beings and therefore should be wiped out. Killing people just because he thinks they're inferior should cover the whole "not being a good guys" thing.

Also the forced eugenics :x
 
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I'm not saying he was 'good' by any stretch of the imagination. His actions were certainly very wrong on a moral level even if you are able to somewhat sympathise and understand why he did them.
 
I often wonder, if you were to take a random person off the street, put them in the same position of power as Hitler, with the same political and economic climates and so on, would we be looking back at them as being just as evil.

Psychology has spent the entirety of the post-war era addressing just this. For example, right in the aftermath of WWII Adorno et al. began researching authoritarianism and fascism (which is where the F-scale, or Potential for Fascism Scale, originated) amongst the general population.

It was found that, regardless of background and culture, a frighteningly high proportion of randomly selected participants scored highly on the f-scale and tended toward ethnocentrism. While the implications of this have been re-dissected and discussed greatly over the years (and further improvements and conclusions made) the fact remains that as a society we tend to want to isolate such individuals (Hitler, Mao, Myra Hindley) as 'monsters'; something unique and alien to the rest of humanity.

Unfortunately, research bears out that given appropriate environmental and cultural backing (for example an authoritarian ethnocentric upbringing, cultural acceptance etc) that many of us are equally capable of such atrocity. Stanley Milgram's research in this area, especially, confirms this latent streak amongst the general population in a willingness to follow orders and impose pain and punishment to fatal levels simply upon pressure of instruction.

Frightening revelation, but an important one nonetheless as it's only by understanding and confronting our true selves that we can shape and improve our behaviours.

I don't know much about Naziism per se (aside from its fascistic root) but I thought this might provide an interesting aside for you on the matter. :)
 
I am half way through a book called 'The rise and fall of the third reich' this is a really interesting book but it is a bit of a read but very very worth it.
 
Hitler was brought up with a mistrust/hatred of the Jews which was cemented when a young adult, he was rejected by an art school (iirc) and the teacher was Jewish (again I could be wrong). That and at the time a lot of people felt the same, also with how he believed they had ruined country financially stemming from WW1 pact which he said was hurting the country.

It's socially distilled in us to mistrust and/or question people of ANY background different from our own, it's a lack of understanding and education of different beliefs/cultures.

Just shows you how practically, a single voice can spread out his/her views on to the mass and sway public thinking so much but like I said though the thinking was already there just never uttered so publicly until the hate became the norm.
 
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