Teachers on strike

[Biohazard]

Could you post something more than just smilies and one word answers?

Don't start acting smart with me von. I don't understand what you were meaning with the codes and that statement, surely that is what convays? No?

Can you show me anywhere in this thread where I have either just;

Posted a one word answer as a reply
Posted a smiley as a reply.

In private sector pension schemes? If they were all in surplus, they wouldn't be doing their level best to close them and push people into defined contribution.

Strawman. I never said they were all each in surplus, but that the 7500 in the protection scheme are in surplus overall.

Well, true. Pretty shameful in some case.

So what is worse? A pension that would have been viable and those who took it, or those who ripped those people off?

 

[Delvis]

yes all the planning in front of the tv at home must be so stressful

I know about 5 teachers personally as friends, and about 80 from my workplace.

You actually have no idea what you are talking about.

What do you do when you get home from work? Please tell me?

 

[Alpherah]

I work in schools all around the country. Its the older generation who are real teachers but they are getting fewer in numbers.

^ aint that the truth.
And the poor teachers wont be sacked, for what ever reason (Not enough around to replace them?), as i said before, you almost have to abuse someone to get the sack as a teacher these days.
The whole system's a complete mess, the government should be doing things to encourage the best of the best to teach, not driving them away.

 

[Gaygle]

haha really? They download most stuff of the internet and sit kids in front of flash videos and powerpoints.
Some teaching i have witnessed has been awful.

May i ask how you have experienced this? I never experienced anything like this. That is not to say that it doesn't happen - but it certainly isn't as commonplace as you're suggesting.

All of this 'we do extra work at home' is rubbish.

It is? Even people who deeply oppose the strikes aren't stupid enough to dispute that teachers have to do a lot of work away from school hours.

They teach 26 hours a week when most of us are working 40hours + a week.

Yes, they TEACH for 26 hours. But TEACHING isn't the only job they do. The teaching part is a result of hours and hours of prep work. You're the type of person i was talking about in one of my previous posts - one who tries to talk like you have a clue but you really don't and have no interest in learning about why they are striking.

Why don't you try learning about what you pretend to know about and read Minto's post? Then you can come back with a clue and not look like a moron.

Why should they be sheltered from cuts etc?

Seriously, go and read Minto's post. They haven't been "sheltered" at all and have been undergoing cuts in pay for the last 3 years. I suspect they only got on with it and sucked eggs because they knew their pension made up for the pay cuts - and now that is being taken away - they're striking.

What job do you do that requires 70 hours of work a week? I suspect you aren't on £26k like teachers and are probably on double or even triple that.

 

[Delvis]

As per above, 21 years experience of when a teachers school day ends.
My mother was home by 4:30 at the latest every day.

Righto, and she did nothing after that? If not, then she had her PPA time at school used for PPA time. Good on her.

Your average teacher (around here) does not get to do their planning in their PPA time slot because of other things 'going on'.

 

[Gaygle]

I know about 5 teachers personally as friends, and about 80 from my workplace.

You actually have no idea what you are talking about.

What do you do when you get home from work? Please tell me?

My guess is that he's an IT contractor or something and because he spend few hours in a few schools every now and then he thinks he knows everything about the job.

 

[Alpherah]

Righto, and she did nothing after that? If not, then she had her PPA time at school used for PPA time. Good on her.

Your average teacher (around here) does not get to do their planning in their PPA time slot because of other things 'going on'.

Or, without being disrespectful, option C would be she's one of those terrible teachers who should have been sacked long ago, yet wont be because there isn't enough as it is, so just gets put up with or moved around.

 

[topshot]

I know about 5 teachers personally as friends, and about 80 from my workplace.

You actually have no idea what you are talking about.

What do you do when you get home from work? Please tell me?

I work 8 - 5.30 + any call outs. Really? 8 years working in education gives me a pretty good idea.

As i said ive lost count of the times i have had to recover work that teachers did monday morning for first lesson and lost/forgot to save it. Some planning eh?

The school car park is usually empty by 3.45pm. Must be such a hard day

 

[Edrof]

She must be a bit of a mug then. My sister is also a (very good) teacher. She never spends any holidays in school bar the odd inset day. Her lesson planning is done in the evenings and now that's she's been doing it for 6 years she has become very efficient at it.

She's no mug, but thanks for the uncalled-for insult. She's dedicated to her job and does it properly. She doesn't do any work that she doesn't have to - trust me, she'd much rather be at home with our daughter than at work. Ofsted love her and she's just been asked to set up a whole new department for one of the hardest schools in England - which just received an 'outstanding' from Ofsted and she isn't a head or deputy - she's just a normal teacher. Doesn't sound like a mug to me, sounds like someone who wants to do the absolute best by the children...

haha really? They download most stuff of the internet and sit kids in front of flash videos and powerpoints.
Some teaching i have witnessed has been awful.

All of this 'we do extra work at home' is rubbish. They teach 26 hours a week when most of us are working 40hours + a week.
Also the holidays that are so full of planning and marking is a joke, There are never teachers in school during holidays until the last week of summer.
I pay all my pension contributions, will have to work until im 70+, i dont get yearly pay rises. Why should they be sheltered from cuts etc?

Pointless post - there are bad apples everywhere and only an idiot would use them as a reason to sum up an entire profession. You also make statements of fact that are quite ludicrous:

There are never teachers in school during holidays until the last week of summer.

I must have been walking around seeing ghosts for the last 10 years, then.

They teach 26 hours a week when most of us are working 40hours + a week.

Buhahahahha!

 

[topshot]

My guess is that he's an IT contractor or something and because he spend few hours in a few schools every now and then he thinks he knows everything about the job.

I used to assist in IT/AV teaching. Now i am a IT contractor. I am based in school all the time but travel around aswell.

 

[LOAM]

Righto, and she did nothing after that? If not, then she had her PPA time at school used for PPA time. Good on her.

Your average teacher (around here) does not get to do their planning in their PPA time slot because of other things 'going on'.

Of course she did work at home but seriously nothing like is being portrayed in this thread. You would think teachers finished work and then went down the coal mines and did a 20 hour shift from some of the posts here.

She got a cup of tea and spent maybe 45 mins going over the day. She still had enough time to run a house and work with my dad in the post office. And before you go down the poor teacher route she was grade A top maths group GSCE level. Parents wanted the kids in her class, and she rarely produced anything less than an A grade for as long as I can remember. She is also as tough as old boots.

 

[Pottsey]

Minto said ”And what qualifications does it take to be a classroom assistant?
I mean no offense to the thousands of excellent ones, but all you need is a pulse, a CRB check, and an english gcse to get the job."
I don’t know what TA’s you have but level 2 and level 3 TA’s here need far more than just GCSE and what about IT Managers, Network Managers who are often as qualified as the teachers? Or the IT techs and other none TA school staff? The fact is teachers have it very easy compared to us.

 

[topshot]

Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.

 

[Alpherah]

This thread might as well be closed, its a complete waste of time.
99% of this forum are (well paid, usually .. check the motor forum for evidence) right wing/loyal Tory supporters.
There are 0.5% or so neutral, and 0.5% middle/middle-left.
Threads like this always simply end up with one or two individuals trying to get their point across, whilst the masses group up and give themselves a big pat on the back for sticking it to the 'evil' left wing union overlords.

Every political thread in the last year - two years has followed the same pattern, i cant see why it would change now.

 

[Delvis]

I work 8 - 5.30 + any call outs. Really? 8 years working in education gives me a pretty good idea.

As i said ive lost count of the times i have had to recover work that teachers did monday morning for first lesson and lost/forgot to save it. Some planning eh?

The school car park is usually empty by 3.45pm. Must be such a hard day

Wellthats your job, you choose to work out of hours, AND GET PAID FOR IT. when a teacher stops getting paid at 5pm, they do not get paid for the planning / marking etc afterwards...You do.

So what? If I could go home and monitor the helpdesk after 3:30 I would. They don't need to be in school to be planning, seriously what the hell are you on about? Some will go home and do nothing yes, but other times they won't be due to the academic year

With regards to the planning in the morning, so what? Have you ever tried marking 5/6 classes of 30 pupils work in an evening? As well as plan for the rest of the weeks lessons, oh and planning for that presentation at the end of the week?

No, not every school is the same, that is the problem. The 'facts' will be different from person to person

 

[Edrof]

Of course she did work at home but seriously nothing like is being portrayed in this thread. You would think teachers finished work and then went down the coal mines and did a 20 hour shift from some of the posts here.

The 'things' being portrayed in this trhead are generally coming from actual people in the actual job doing the actual 'things'. It's not a blinkin' conspiracy theory.

She got a cup of tea and spent maybe 45 mins going over the day. She still had enough time to run a house and work with my dad in the post office. And before you go down the poor teacher route she was grade A top maths group GSCE level. Parents wanted the kids in her class, and she rarely produced anything less than an A grade for as long as I can remember. She is also as tough as old boots.[/quote]

So what? Every school is different; just because your experience of teaching is as above doesn't mean everyone else's should be the same...

 

[Morba]

So, to sum up the thread...

1) People who actually know what is involved in teaching support teachers.
2) People who don't know what is involved in teaching don't support teachers and think they should 'suck it up'.

True?

Not at all.
I understand what is involved and still do not support them. If they don't like it find another job.
The real world is that we cannot afford to pay these people what the previous generations have had.
It is unfair for them to expect to get these pensions, without paying more, given we are all living longer.

 

[scorza]

I know times are hard in government right now, but surely it can stretch to a pair of nose hair clippers for the Education Secretary Michael Gove, who is being interviewed on Sky News HD with a camera angle slightly below his left nostril.

 

[Edrof]

This thread might as well be closed, its a complete waste of time.
99% of this forum are (well paid, usually .. check the motor forum for evidence) right wing/loyal Tory supporters.
There are 0.5% or so neutral, and 0.5% middle/middle-left.
Threads like this always simply end up with one or two individuals trying to get their point across, whilst the masses group up and give themselves a big pat on the back for sticking it to the 'evil' left wing union overlords.

Every political thread in the last year - two years has followed the same pattern, i cant see why it would change now.

Aye, the amount of people that think they have 'informed opinions' about subjects they actually know **** all about astound me. Even when it's explained to them clearly by people who live it daily they post diarrhea.

 

[Biohazard]

Not at all.
I understand what is involved and still do not support them. If they don't like it find another job.
The real world is that we cannot afford to pay these people what the previous generations have had.
It is unfair for them to expect to get these pensions, without paying more, given we are all living longer.

I don't think anyone is adverse to increasing contributions it's having the payout slashed ontop of recent devaluations against inflation measures.