Teachers on strike

Gaygle said:
Yes, they TEACH for 26 hours. But TEACHING isn't the only job they do. The teaching part is a result of hours and hours of prep work. You're the type of person i was talking about in one of my previous posts - one who tries to talk like you have a clue but you really don't and have no interest in learning about why they are striking.
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I'm not a teacher and don't claim to know everything about there job so correct me if I'm wrong...

Once you have 1 years plan for a certain curriculum, that will last you a couple of years before you need to slightly tweak it to coincide with the next couple of years curriculum thus your first year my be manic planning all these lessons but after that it must get easier, no?

Reverting back to a "26 hour" week (so to speak, not in the literal sense).
 
The teachers have my full support.

The utter hypocrisy of watching Gove whitter on about wanting teachers to have more respect while simultaneous launching a massive attack on their already too low reward package is breath-taking.

Not that I suspect the bag of useless twits that passes for our current government pay any attention.
 
LOAM said:
Of course she did work at home but seriously nothing like is being portrayed in this thread. You would think teachers finished work and then went down the coal mines and did a 20 hour shift from some of the posts here.

She got a cup of tea and spent maybe 45 mins going over the day. She still had enough time to run a house and work with my dad in the post office. And before you go down the poor teacher route she was grade A top maths group GSCE level. Parents wanted the kids in her class, and she rarely produced anything less than an A grade for as long as I can remember. She is also as tough as old boots.
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Well congratulations to your mother then, she obviously had everything sorted out nicely. Good for her :)

Alpherah said:
This thread might as well be closed, its a complete waste of time.
99% of this forum are (well paid, usually .. check the motor forum for evidence) right wing/loyal Tory supporters.
There are 0.5% or so neutral, and 0.5% middle/middle-left.
Threads like this always simply end up with one or two individuals trying to get their point across, whilst the masses group up and give themselves a big pat on the back for sticking it to the 'evil' left wing union overlords.

Every political thread in the last year - two years has followed the same pattern, i cant see why it would change now.
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Nice way to over generalise, not everyone in this thread is on some mahoosive wage.
 
Morba said:
Not at all.
I understand what is involved and still do not support them. If they don't like it find another job.
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This is partly why our education system is such a sham in the first place.
All the good teacher's have left long ago..

Other nations treat their best teachers like gold, and bend over backwards to keep them.
Yet in England often they are considered second rate:
Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.
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GCSE's are getting easier, along with A levels, partly to make the quality of education in this country.
If they actually made them challenging we could be stuck with 20% pass rate.
Entertaining times ahead on that one.
 
I have just qualified as a teacher in the past 3 weeks as did my partner. I have 2 members of family working in schools and I myself will be. I have never been at work any later than 7.45 and I have never left school before 5.30 pm - I have been up until 2/3 am doing lesson planning, evaluations and preparing resources, marking and assessing/tracking etc. plus weekends spent planning and refining.

I don't know if I agree with the strike as I personally became a teacher because I was passionate about it and by striking children are missing out on a day of being educated. Which to me defeats the object. However, the reasoning behind the strike I agree with - why shouldn't teacher's go on strike to protect their futures?

I am not going to sit and say teaching is the hardest career in the world BUT I work very hard and end up doing probably about a 50 hour week. I am not complaining as I chose this career path and I love it, but it isn't as easy as it may at first seem.

But just as I have chosen a career as a teacher, other people have also chosen their career paths, as mentioned before people fighting for our country. Well I have a huge amount of respect for them, however they chose to join the army etc. so personally I think that teacher's should not be subject to a loss of what essentially is job and future security.

I can see both points of view with supporting and not supporting the strike, but people criticising teacher's should remember that without them, there could be more of a mess. :-) x
 
Forde said:
Aye, the amount of people that think they have 'informed opinions' about subjects they actually know **** all about astound me. Even when it's explained to them clearly by people who live it daily they post diarrhea.
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The bottom line is you think you are better than the rest of the population and should be treated differently than everyone else.
 
Delvis said:
Wellthats your job, you choose to work out of hours, AND GET PAID FOR IT. when a teacher stops getting paid at 5pm, they do not get paid for the planning / marking etc afterwards...You do.

So what? If I could go home and monitor the helpdesk after 3:30 I would. They don't need to be in school to be planning, seriously what the hell are you on about? Some will go home and do nothing yes, but other times they won't be due to the academic year

With regards to the planning in the morning, so what? Have you ever tried marking 5/6 classes of 30 pupils work in an evening? As well as plan for the rest of the weeks lessons, oh and planning for that presentation at the end of the week?

No, not every school is the same, that is the problem. The 'facts' will be different from person to person
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I dont get paid after 4pm but usually work to 5.30 to get work done.
Teachers are on salarys and some of them big ones, have you forgot how much holiday they get? they should be working in the evening to make up the hours.
Dont even tell me them 6 weeks in summer are planning as its rubbish. I only have to listen to the holiday stories in september to confirm this.

If teachers really cared that much they wouldnt be making students education suffer by striking on a schoolday. Why not march to westminster on saturday or something? too busy marking i suppose :rolleyes:
 
sparklebox said:
I have just qualified as a teacher in the past 3 weeks as did my partner. I have 2 members of family working in schools and I myself will be. I have never been at work any later than 7.45 and I have never left school before 5.30 pm - I have been up until 2/3 am doing lesson planning, evaluations and preparing resources, marking and assessing/tracking etc. plus weekends spent planning and refining.
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Give up, save yourself the energy.
You'l simply be shot down because someones mothers sisters brothers dog's uncles third cousin twice removed's son's donkeys brother has life easy as a teacher. honest.
 
topshot said:
Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.
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lol your posts in this thread are lolworthy.

From the way you're talking you would think you're the CEO of Microsoft or something.

No, but don't worry, i'm sure recovering an accidentally deleted Word document from the recycle bin on a teachers laptop is as challenging as you think it is.
 
Forde said:
Everyone in this thread should read that.
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Why on Earth, if one had a first in physics from a good university, become a teacher? Madness.

One of my ex-girlfriend's got a first class degree in History from a good university, she became a teacher, mostly down to lack of imagination more than anything.

On the whole, I'm ambivalent about the strike, some points I sympathise with, others I don't.
 
Morba said:
then they were in it for the money and the perks rather than the passion of teaching.
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People are motivated by different things, it doesnt make them more or less brilliant at what they do.
I would rather have a greedy brilliant mind educating children, then someone who thinks the battle of hastings is a set in a car insurance advert.
 
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Gaygle said:
lol your posts in this thread are lolworthy.

From the way you're talking you would think you're the CEO of Microsoft or something.

No, but don't worry, i'm sure recovering an accidentally deleted Word document from the recycle bin on a teachers laptop is as challenging as you think it is.
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Not really, my point is clear, teachers think they should be entitled to pay rise and big pensions when us private sector workers are getting cuts left right and centre and getting on with it.

Even worse that they decide to strike and make students suffer. Especially in exam period.
 
Alpherah said:
People are motivated by different things, it doesnt make them more or less brilliant at what they do.
I would rather have a greedy brilliant mind educating children, then someone who thinks the battle of hastings is a set in a car insurance advert.
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Of course they are motivated by different things. My point was that being a good teacher was 2nd to making money and sorting out their future.
I would rather have teachers that are passionate about their job as a primary reason for being there.
Greedy money grabbing people will leave eventually or get bored with the teaching anyway tbh.
 
topshot said:
Not really, my point is clear, teachers think they should be entitled to pay rise and big pensions when us private sector workers are getting cuts left right and centre and getting on with it.

Even worse that they decide to strike and make students suffer. Especially in exam period.
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Actually, their pay rises are frozen currently around here, so you have no idea what you are on about :)
 
PureAppleJuice said:
Why on Earth, if one had a first in physics from a good university, become a teacher? Madness.

One of my ex-girlfriend's got a first class degree in History from a good university, she became a teacher, mostly down to lack of imagination more than anything.

On the whole, I'm ambivalent about the strike, some points I sympathise with, others I don't.
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If we want more people graduating with first class degrees in Physics then we need good quality Physics teachers don't we? In countries with better education systems (i.e. most northern European countries) this is what happens, you get an excellent degree, you become a teacher and are rewarded properly and are respected. In the UK, stupid people say someone who has done that has wasted their talent. Is arming the future generations of children with knowledge a waste of talent?
 
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