That's the nature of the beast, any beast, in that you will get those more suited to a role or position than others. Equality or parity in skill sets are desirable but also an improbability. I generally agree though.
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That's the nature of the beast, any beast, in that you will get those more suited to a role or position than others. Equality or parity in skill sets are desirable but also an improbability. I generally agree though.
Does it? More so than the public sector?
Their might be a lot of big companies out there willing to pay the top staff a lot of money, but unless you work in the big commission positions then pay is better in the public sector I thought?
Same with my better half. I have huge respect for those who are putting the children first today.
So many people say this and it such an annoying, idiotic, non-sensical tagline that people use. Do you really think leaving a public sector job after decades of dedicated service is an option? Many teachers that are 30+ have no degree's or formal qualifications, apart from their teaching one, because degrees weren't required back then for teaching. So that means, that a 45 year old teacher quitting her job is not even an option, because she'd have to go and work in a shop on minimum wage due to her lack of formal qualifications.
Same with the Police. Many have no formal qualifications apart from those based around policing - so job opportunities outside the police service are very very limited, hence leaving the job is not an option.
Like i said - the police have their own unique ways of making things difficult for the Government.
How does that fit in with them leaving for more money and being greedy?
As a tax payer would you willingly agree to your taxes increasing to make the balance sheet add up for public sector payments ?
Revenue raised through taxation is not a bottomless pit (see Greece for why that is) and I pay enough tax as it is without having to start worrying about increases to exceed to the delusions of public sector workers. Again if they really don't like it then switch to private sector and see that its not that great here either. Everyone likes to quote about how ell everyone is off in the private sector but fail to mention that you need to be in a fairly senior / responsible position to be in that 'doing ok bracket'.
there are lots of grunts in private sector that are a lot worse off than their public sector brethren
What?
And that doesn't apply to the delusional public sector workers?
Well yes, because public sector workers are the minority.
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If the money was better in the public sector, why would people leave through greed as indicated by yourself above?
IME, absolutely. Note i said there is the OPPORTUNITY in the private sector to make big money. A good friend of mine has just come out of uni and got on the Grad scheme for IBM - £30k start IIRC. It would take teachers/police officers about a decade to get to that level.
There are those in my company who get paid vast amounts and no one in the company earns less than about £22k (we have a very young workforce, average age is about 22 in our company). In the private sector there is also much more opportunity to change your job and work your way up to higher pay grades - something which is much more limited in the public sector.
You might have heard the old phrase about how no one joins the public sector for the money. Believe it.
I assume you meant to say delusional private sector workers here ? If that's the case delusional private sector workers crash and burn a lot faster than public sector. If you are in the private sector and you don't like your money you don't go to your boss I'll have some more or its tools down, you negotiate for a rise, if you are worth keeping you get one if the company can afford to or wants to . If not they say no raise for you my boy. To which you go fine here's my notice I am off to another employment.
In the public sector they just put the rest of the country through hell and then wonder why most of the voting public think they are insane.
Tax payers aren't held to ransom it's too emotive to be accurate. Withdrawing labour is between the workforce and the official side, the income source is a consideration but the primary reason is not to hold a gun to the countries head.
One day of action is not the 1980's again to be fair.
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Another inane remark.
As everybody who 'does' has at one point been taught it shows that the teaching must have been pretty good.
Strip away the government's rhetoric ("unaffordable", "untenable") and the empirical truth is that ministers are forcing workers to take another pay cut, forcing them to pick up the tab for a crisis that they did not cause. The public might be on the side of ministers, for now at least, but the facts are on the side of the unions.
Your clueless, you don’t live in the real world (working at local government at the moment I know many like you). So what if they don’t have a degree, I don’t have a degree, did that give me protection from being made redundant after 12 years ? do all the 15,000 Lloyds workers have degrees ?
It makes no difference, your poor hypothetical female (nice touch btw) teacher with no degree should be offered no more protection from economic environments then anyone else is. Degree or no degree. Just like everyone else who is faced with a choice of accept change you either do so, or you vote with your feet. If you can’t do that because they have you by the short and curlys then boo hoo, welcome to the real world.
No, but I did mean to stick delsuional into quotation marks.
Irrelevent, we aren't asking for more but the contractual terms offered upon offer of employment. Wage negotiations don't involve strike action either.
Too generalising for me, not everyone is in the public sector either. Striking isn't exclusive to the public sector either.
Would that be MP's who so far have failed to do anything about their own final salary scheme?
Funny how the baying mob aren't frothing at the mouth with that one.
They are free, free to strike, and they are doing so, in the real world as well. Owned.