Teachers on strike

wildman said:
O'RLY ????

non contributory pensions are predominatly a thing of the 80's you speak to the private sector workers now and you'll discover to your shock and horror that they do actually pay for their pensions
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mhmm, when it comes from someone who directly deals with the contributions i'll take that comment in to account :)
 
I think the main issue I have with them is there complete disregard to the people they have a duty of care to - the children.
Yes, have your debate and try and extort more money from an already empty wallet but don't take such drastic measures such as striking whilst talks are still actively ongoing. It's irresponsible, absurd and stupid. They need to get a grip and realize that it's hard times for everyone and they can't be immune to cuts.
If you want a expensive, over the top pension then you should pay for it. No one is stopping anyone from opening a private pension pot.
 
Panzerbjorn said:
I'm pretty sure if you had an annual review and were told you were going to get a pay freeze and smaller pension contributions you'd be pretty angry. Then six months later your boss tells you that you're going to have to take even more of a hit you'd be livid!
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Ah but we complain about it, go through the channels of procedure and end up lumping it or moving jobs.

I'm not saying teachers can do the same thing here, just saying how it is.
 
I fully support the teachers strike. Closing the final/average salary to new teachers would be fair. The government's plan is nothing short of a pay cut.

Some people on this forum don't realise how hard most teachers work. It's not an easy job. I know plenty of teachers in London you've had knifes pulled on them in class.
 
topshot said:
Its not really any of the working populations fault but teachers are not the only ones affected by cuts. Tell me why they should be immune from them?
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Tell me, have you taken a pay cut recently in your current job? Have you been informed you now need to work for more years, while paying more in to your pension and not actually receiving anything extra back from it without any choice in the matter? Did you also sign a contract saying you will have a pay freeze BECAUSE of the current climate? :)
 
Panzerbjorn said:
I'm pretty sure if you had an annual review and were told you were going to get a pay freeze and smaller pension contributions you'd be pretty angry. Then six months later your boss tells you that you're going to have to take even more of a hit you'd be livid!
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I did and thus I started looking for new employment which I gained and as a result am better off for it, so what's your point again ??

Private sector is every bit as cut throat as public especially where there are shareholders to keep happy.
 
Panzerbjorn said:
Are you for real? Of course it could get worse, A LOT worse. We have a very good education system and while there is always room for improvement, we're hardly at the bottom of the pile.

It's not blackmail talk at all, it's a balance. You won't improve the education system without incentivising people to take up teaching and if you remove the few perks that the job has you're less likely to entice fresh blood into teaching, which in turn will result in the education system as a whole suffering.

As for your annual review analogy, it completely misses the point.

Teachers aren't asking for a pay rise or a better pension. They are asking the government to uphold existing contracts which were negotiated to include a pay freeze and changes to their pensions in order to help reduce public debt.

Now the government is going back and saying you need to sacrifice even more resulting in an effective drop in pay and a smaller pension.

I'm pretty sure if you had an annual review and were told you were going to get a pay freeze and smaller pension contributions you'd be pretty angry. Then six months later your boss tells you that you're going to have to take even more of a hit you'd be livid!
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Took the words out of my mouth, damn food.
A major issue with this strike is it doesn't seem to have been explained properly which leads to silly arguments with people not fully understanding what the situation is.
 
Tunney said:
I fully support the teachers strike. Closing the final/average salary to new teachers would be fair. The government's plan is nothing short of a pay cut.
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That would be even more difficult a move though I think, given how desperate they are for people to become teachers; to then say "be a teacher, but have a worse pension"?
 
wildman said:
I did and thus I started looking for new employment which I gained and as a result am better off for it, so what's your point again ??

Private sector is every bit as cut throat as public especially where there are shareholders to keep happy.
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Again where can a teacher move job to? Its not like moving to a different state school will change anything, you cannot just up and leave to another company offering a better option.
 
Delvis said:
Tell me, have you taken a pay cut recently in your current job? Have you been informed you now need to work for more years, while paying more in to your pension and not actually receiving anything extra back from it without any choice in the matter? Did you also sign a contract saying you will have a pay freeze BECAUSE of the current climate? :)
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As i said earlier, i have been on a pay freeze for 18months and no sign of it ending. Pension contributions were stopped before i started so i have a private pension as well as my government pension scheme from when i worked directly in education.

Teachers are not the only ones being affected. They need to realise this.
 
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