Teachers on strike

Maybe if the teachers spent a little less on supporting their champagne socialist union leaders they could pay more onto their pension fund?
 
platypus said:
Why, out of interest, does everyone deserve a good pension? Is it a birthright?.
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I suppose it's a philosophical viewpoint whether you agree it's a right or not.

You probably disagree with the right to strike and that everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
 
wildman said:
can it get any worse ?

and again thats just blackmail talk

give me more money and better pension or i am telling you in a few years time you'll be sorry !! I must remember to use that line next time I am at my annual performance review
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Are you for real? Of course it could get worse, A LOT worse. We have a very good education system and while there is always room for improvement, we're hardly at the bottom of the pile.

It's not blackmail talk at all, it's a balance. You won't improve the education system without incentivising people to take up teaching and if you remove the few perks that the job has you're less likely to entice fresh blood into teaching, which in turn will result in the education system as a whole suffering.

As for your annual review analogy, it completely misses the point.

Teachers aren't asking for a pay rise or a better pension. They are asking the government to uphold existing contracts which were negotiated to include a pay freeze and changes to their pensions in order to help reduce public debt.

Now the government is going back and saying you need to sacrifice even more resulting in an effective drop in pay and a smaller pension.

I'm pretty sure if you had an annual review and were told you were going to get a pay freeze and smaller pension contributions you'd be pretty angry. Then six months later your boss tells you that you're going to have to take even more of a hit you'd be livid!
 
Delvis said:
What hole? they signed a contract saying company x will pay x amount of contributions towards your pension, they now want to slash that and make you pay more without gaining anything...How much you pay into your pension should be up to you. It is one reason I opted out of it
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The £10Bn hole in the pension pot that has been referred to. They can't afford to pay out on existing final schemes, because there will be too many years to pay for. Hence people will have to work longer and/or pay more in. Where else can the money come from?
 
amigafan2003 said:
I suppose it's a philosophical viewpoint whether you agree it's a right or not.

You probably disagree with the right to strike and that everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
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Now you're just wishing words into my mouth ;).

Philosophical viewpoints are all well and good, as are the platitudes you often come out with. Unfortunately, whilst pensions may have been well intentioned, the legalised pyramid schemes have somewhat run their course.

do_ron_ron said:
The usual right wing tripe!

I don't see you moaning about other heads of organisations getting large salaries. Double standards.
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Do these other heads go on strike?
 
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platypus said:
A highly responsible way of showing it it is too. Really makes a member of the private sector more sympathetic to their "cause" :).
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I asked before, what would you consider "responsible" for 750,000 striking workers to do?

Let me reiterate - they are striking by not attending work AND they are not being paid so they are free to do whatever the hell they want.
 
Panzerbjorn said:
Teachers aren't asking for a pay rise or a better pension. They are asking the government to uphold existing contracts which were negotiated to include a pay freeze and changes to their pensions in order to help reduce public debt.

Now the government is going back and saying you need to sacrifice even more resulting in an effective drop in pay and a smaller pension.

I'm pretty sure if you had an annual review and were told you were going to get a pay freeze and smaller pension contributions you'd be pretty angry. Then six months later your boss tells you that you're going to have to take even more of a hit you'd be livid!
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I'm glad someone here knows what they are on about :p
 
do_ron_ron said:
The usual right wing tripe!

I don't see you moaning about other heads of organisations getting large salaries. Double standards.
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Do we see other heads of organisations campaigning for the rights of their downtrodden workers in the same way, while they profit from them?
 
platypus said:
Now you're just wishing words into my mouth ;).
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Damn you - I was hoping for another response then I'd have chucked Article 23.1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in the ring.

Stop being reasonable in a heated debate!
 
vonhelmet said:
The £10Bn hole in the pension pot that has been referred to. They can't afford to pay out on existing final schemes, because there will be too many years to pay for. Hence people will have to work longer and/or pay more in. Where else can the money come from?
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How about the people who actually screwed the hole up in the first place? It's not the teachers' fault that they over estimated is it
 
vonhelmet said:
Do we see other heads of organisations campaigning for the rights of their downtrodden workers in the same way, while they profit from them?
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If they could make money from it we would!

BTW - you do know a General Secratary of a major union has similar responsibilities and skills requirements to that of a CEO of a large company? Why should the salary not be comparable? After all, isn't Dolph, our resident right wing liberal, one of the ones stating the market should decide on compensation levels? Isn't this the ultimate test of that scenario?
 
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Gaygle said:
I asked before, what would you consider "responsible" for 750,000 striking workers to do?

Let me reiterate - they are striking by not attending work AND they are not being paid so they are free to do whatever the hell they want.
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whilst disrupting education to children and forcing parents to take holiday or pay for child care
 
Delvis said:
As has been stated, the private sector does not pay towards their pension
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O'RLY ????

non contributory pensions are predominatly a thing of the 80's you speak to the private sector workers now and you'll discover to your shock and horror that they do actually pay for their pensions
 
topshot said:
whilst disrupting education to children and forcing parents to take holiday or pay for child care
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yet if your work forced you to have a pay cut and you went on strike* it wouldn't be an issue....Right?

*If you was to go on strike obviously
 
Delvis said:
How about the people who actually screwed the hole up in the first place? It's not the teachers' fault that they over estimated is it
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Its not really any of the working populations fault but teachers are not the only ones affected by cuts. Tell me why they should be immune from them?
 
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