Teachers on strike

All this aside though, I agree with striking public sector workers. I do however think we should be careful what we strike them with, nothing more than a broom or a stick. We don’t want to damage them.

They are all at home marking and planning lessons. Dont want to disturb them
 
which is even worse considering how much bob crow earns and the fact that he is in an affordable house which would be of far more value to one of this beleaguered RMT members

The unions have much to answer for especially their luddite leaders

The RMT aren't striking today.
 
And 60% decided that this was a non issue for them so did not vote.
The majority of people polled decided that striking was not for them.

So why is there a strike when the majority do not agree with it?

because out of the people who did vote the majority of them voted yes :)
 
The RMT aren't striking today.

I know it was a general comment reagrding union leadership and Bob Crow was being used merely as an example rather than a fact of todays strike action, and in reference to OldCoals post which was a few above mine. sorry for confusion
 
62% of 40% which is actually only representative of 30%

that's the correct maths right ? Well at least its the maths that the unions use to go on strike with.

Sky News had a poll showing 49% of voters didn't support the strike. That's 49% of a few thousand people out of a population of 60 million who were eligible to vote. Rounded that's 0% of the UK population don't support the strike. That's right wing logic eh?
 
Woah - they did not decide that striking was not for them, they did not express a preference either way. You can't count non-votes as a vote for one side or another.

You can count it as a non yes vote. If striking was for them they would have voted YES.

because out of the people who did vote the majority of them voted yes :)

So 10 million people are polled for a strike, only 3 people vote, 2 in favour 1 against.
Is it right that the union should then strike?

21% of the people polled voted yes. That is hardly a majority, is it.
 
watching skynews last night and i nearly put my boot through the tv.

yet again two well paid idiots revewing the papers having a pop at the "well paid" public sector.

you go tell that to the guys who do the bins, were in some places there wages aint much above £15k, and there now being told they have to work longer (eevn though 65 is a hard enough age to reach now for some) and stuff more in the pot for a shorter retirement.

i know public sector bashing is the nations biggest hobby of late but people really need to figure out not everyone is on the same wage and some will be hard pressed to have 20 years of good retirment let alone this mythical figure of 30 years there banding about.
 
Sky News had a poll showing 49% of voters didn't support the strike. That's 49% of a few thousand people out of a population of 60 million who were eligible to vote. Rounded that's 0% of the UK population don't support the strike. That's right wing logic eh?

I was angling more towards the maths of.....

Union has say 20000 members.
Union calls a vote for strike action
only 8000 members vote (40% turn out) and the votes are cast as follows:-

5000 aye
3000 nay

end result = 62.5% in favour

actual numbers are 25% say strike

so based on a quarter of the memberships say so the union takes the entire workforce out !!

thats not right wing, left wing, liberal its just idiotic.

If it was legislated that at least 90% of the membership had to turn up and the numbers were

40% yay
35 nay
25% abstentions

I would be far more inclined to have a little more sympathy as the numebrs would show that yes indeed a very large proportion of the union members voted and said we are striking because we don't agree with the government cuts.

talk is cheap, votes are what counts
 
watching skynews last night and i nearly put my boot through the tv.

yet again two well paid idiots revewing the papers having a pop at the "well paid" public sector.

you go tell that to the guys who do the bins, were in some places there wages aint much above £15k, and there now being told they have to work longer (eevn though 65 is a hard enough age to reach now for some) and stuff more in the pot for a shorter retirement.

i know public sector bashing is the nations biggest hobby of late but people really need to figure out not everyone is on the same wage and some will be hard pressed to have 20 years of good retirment let alone this mythical figure of 30 years there banding about.

The public sector is too big, full stop, never mind how much individuals are paid.
 
You can only make the decision based on the result of the vote, speculating on what the intension of the people who didn’t vote was/is, is ridiculous. They obviously didn’t care enough either way to bother and thus trusted the outcome to the ones who cared enough to turn up.
 
You can only make the decision based on the result of the vote, speculating on what the intension of the people who didn’t vote was/is, is ridiculous. They obviously didn’t care enough either way to bother and thus trusted the outcome to the ones who cared enough to turn up.

hence why we need legislation that requires x% turn out to legitimise a strike. You can't and shouldn't be able to pull out an entire workforce based on a non representative number of voters
 
hence why we need legislation that requires x% turn out to legitimise a strike. You can't and shouldn't be able to pull out an entire workforce based on a non representative number of voters

I agree with that, but until it happens its pointless arguing the toss over this vote result.

The only issue is you cant set the bar to high because “no” supporters will simply stay away to make it void.
 
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I agree with that, but until it happens its pointless arguing the toss over this vote result.

Not really because, they will not really garner public support for oging on strike based on less than a third of their entire memberships say so. It makes the everyday private sector joe bloggs resent the union driven public sector just that little bit more. So yes it is worth arguing over this as eventually its what will be the unions undoing.
 
hence why we need legislation that requires x% turn out to legitimise a strike. You can't and shouldn't be able to pull out an entire workforce based on a non representative number of voters

How much would be an appropriate percentage, though?
 
Not really because, they will not really garner public support for oging on strike based on less than a third of their entire memberships say so. It makes the everyday private sector joe bloggs resent the union driven public sector just that little bit more. So yes it is worth arguing over this as eventually its what will be the unions undoing.

True enough, I stand corrected.
 
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