Amy Winehouse found dead

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That displays an ignorance that is very sad.

Its the same mentality. the mechanism changes but that doesnt matter. It could be beer, vodka, poker, horses, blackjack, heroin, cocaine, it doesnt matter.

Its the inability to function without doing whatever it is you have become reliant on. You become powerless over it.

While you claim to understand how the "simple drink" develops thats not an issue. We are talking about when it becomes the be all and end all. The same way the next bet may become, or the next hit, or whatever.

Its the same basic problem that means a guy is pumping his last £5 into a fruit machines and Amy Winehouse lies dead in her flat. Its the same addiction.
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Nail on Head...You're nearly as clever as me :p
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
More like base jumping without a parachute and living off luck each time.
If I jumped off a cliff with no parachute, I wouldn't be surprised or feel hard done by when I died.
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Well no it isn't because jumping off a cliff is almost certainly going to kill you, taking drugs isn't.
 
I cant help but feel we all had a part to play in her death; whether it be buying her songs, listening to them on the radio or even watching that TV show with her in.
 
As an ex Opera singer, I thought that as a singer, she had great talent ....... but as with much of today's youth, they think that they are invincible/indestructible; another one bites the dust! ..... sad but not surprised.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
More like base jumping without a parachute and living off luck each time.
If I jumped off a cliff with no parachute, I wouldn't be surprised or feel hard done by when I died.
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That would be suicide

People use Class A drugs successfully for years and become professional drug users.

How can you base jump without a parachute and live?
 
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Well done to yourself. I feel a bit of a fraud here cos im no stranger to a drink! However i do have a wee bit of understanding about how it all works.

Logically i dont get the criticism of celebs who die like this.

Is this not the very illustration of how people can become powerless over and addiction? When someone who has all the money and fame dies like this? Would anyone really choose this????
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Most people assume that because they're rich and famous and have access to top facilities, that beating their addiction should be easy. But addiction is something you fight with all your life. You don't go into rehab for two weeks and come out clean forever. The few weeks after, when you're outside of the safety zone of the facility with all the perfectly legal temptations of alcohol is the hardest test. Everyday it gets a little easier.

Celebrities are surrounded by "yes men". People that are employed to meet the demands of whatever the celebrity wants. They are not paid to refuse. If the celebrity wants more coke/heroin/speed/lsd/weed, yes men will get it. So celebrities come out of an environment where they've been told "no" for two weeks while they detox, to an environment where every demand they make is met with "yes".
 
easyrider said:
How can you base jump without a parachute and live?
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You can't, hence why I never said it was actually base jumping...
She killed herself.

I don't have sympathy for most others who have ended their own life. Why should this person be any different?

The only people to feel sorry for, are her family.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
You can't, hence why I never said it was base jumping...
She killed herself.

I don't have sympathy for most others who have ended their own life. Why should this person be any different?

The only people to feel sorry for, are her family.
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You said base jumping BTW...

Of course she killed herself. No one is disputing that. Injecting Brown is risky,

Sympathy is personal

Saying someone deserves to die when harming no one else but themselves is insane.
 
easyrider said:
You said base jumping BTW...
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You were the first person to say base jumping, I just said jumping off a cliff, then modified your call of "it's like base jumping".

If you're playing class a russian roulette, you deserve all the consequences. Not just the happy, detached mind awesomeness.
 
RIP Amy, I loved your distinctive soulful voice and musical taste.

Such a bright talent burned out far, far too quickly. :(
 
easyrider said:
Of course she killed herself. No one is disputing that. Injecting Brown is risky,

Sympathy is personal

Saying someone deserves to die when harming no one else but themselves is insane.
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Exactly how I see it.

Ryan Dunn got a thread of RIPs for getting drunk and killing his best mate while speeding, Amy Winehouse gets a thread of people saying they're glad she's dead despite hurting no one but herself. Hard to fathom.
 
Brian8bit said:
Most people assume that because they're rich and famous and have access to top facilities, that beating their addiction should be easy. But addiction is something you fight with all your life. You don't go into rehab for two weeks and come out clean forever. The few weeks after, when you're outside of the safety zone of the facility with all the perfectly legal temptations of alcohol is the hardest test. Everyday it gets a little easier.

Celebrities are surrounded by "yes men". People that are employed to meet the demands of whatever the celebrity wants. They are not paid to refuse. If the celebrity wants more coke/heroin/speed/lsd/weed, yes men will get it. So celebrities come out of an environment where they've been told "no" for two weeks while they detox, to an environment where every demand they make is met with "yes".
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I think its harder for celebs TBH. "Normal" people have limiting factors. It may be money, or the attempt to hold down a 9-5 job that at least makes them create a pretence of normality. Perhaps their addiction cost them all their money.

The more famous examples live in a world where their vice of choice is the norm and probably comes free. They dont live by the same rules. Many performers need a few "liveners" to get on stage so its ok. Very few postmen (for example) think " i could do with a a wee shot to give me the confidence to deliver this parcel". People in the rock industry are easy victims IMO.

I dont mean that to sound like its easy for people in everyday life, im just trying to illustrate that those people who seemingly "have it all" are perhaps the most vunerable.
 
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