cheale meats abbatoir essex - shocking animal cruelty
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I'm sure there are a lot of companies waiting to exchange your research for bundles of money
I'm sure there are a lot of companies waiting to exchange your research for bundles of money
There's already a lot of research into growing organs for replacement, take that and make meat which you don't have to worry about so much, job done.
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Wish i hadnt watched either, christ i feel sick, actually sick..seriously need shooting the lot of them that do that.
I suspect the issue is that
1: A criminal act may have taken place to get the evidence
and
2: There is zero chain of custody for the evidence - the animal rights people don't have a great history with photographic evidence.
Indeed many of the groups are famous for using faked photos, or photos from say a Russian facility in the 60's to describe what is going on in a British facility in the 2000's, often where the animals in the photo haven't been used for decades (if ever)....
I've not watched the video (I can't watch that sort of thing, I'm squeemish about watching something like Casualty, or veterinary programmes), but if it is as bad as has been suggested, I suspect the regulatory bodies will be taking more interest in the facility and may do some legal evidence gathering.
Re the panarama "undercover" filming, IIRC Panarama doesn't break the law to gain access to the facilities, and the footage normally has a fairly good providence.
Yep, animal activists went to destroy the place in Ohio. 300 police officers were there to defend it.
There are not many animal welfare laws in Ohio, so they are not in the wrong in the laws eyes.
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Not that I like animal cruelty or anything, but I hardly think that putting your cigarette out on a poor piggy warrants the death penalty.
Because if illegally obtained evidence can be used in court then due process goes out the window, you would have police officers and vigilantes breaking into premises on a whim in the hopes of obtaining evidence without any warrant being issued. Not to mention the authenticity of the evidence in question.
Plenty of knuckle dragger's who ought to not have responsibility for anything, let alone the care and despatch of live animals.
As for the evidence being 'inadmissible' well, that smacks of semantic BS to me - there may well be an animal rights bias, but that doesn't mean some of the actions described are not plain wrong.
I know a chap who works in a knacker yard, dealing with all sorts of farm animals (lambs, sheep, pigs, calves, cows. bulls, horses the lot). He takes the business of killing them very seriously indeed. There's no complacency or cruelty or distress caused to the animal (you can tell when a horse is agitated by unfamiliar surroundings), they are led off horse box, walked across the yard and then shot immediately.
Seeing it done like that you get to see how much care and attention is taken even though the time-scale involved is very small - that's part of the process of keeping the animal calm and not delaying the process.
Part of the problem here is the industrial scale of it all. But that shouldn't mean needles cruelty is acceptable.
The discussion of the use of CCTV is an odd one given that there's been cameras watching staff in every goods warehouse I've ever worked in over the last 15/20 years, one would question why some companies don't have it installed already, and those that do have it, how they have not picked up these kinds of unacceptable actions before now? My guess is they know it goes on, but just ignore it.
As for the evidence being 'inadmissible' well, that smacks of semantic BS to me - there may well be an animal rights bias, but that doesn't mean some of the actions described are not plain wrong.
I know a chap who works in a knacker yard, dealing with all sorts of farm animals (lambs, sheep, pigs, calves, cows. bulls, horses the lot). He takes the business of killing them very seriously indeed. There's no complacency or cruelty or distress caused to the animal (you can tell when a horse is agitated by unfamiliar surroundings), they are led off horse box, walked across the yard and then shot immediately.
Seeing it done like that you get to see how much care and attention is taken even though the time-scale involved is very small - that's part of the process of keeping the animal calm and not delaying the process.
Part of the problem here is the industrial scale of it all. But that shouldn't mean needles cruelty is acceptable.
The discussion of the use of CCTV is an odd one given that there's been cameras watching staff in every goods warehouse I've ever worked in over the last 15/20 years, one would question why some companies don't have it installed already, and those that do have it, how they have not picked up these kinds of unacceptable actions before now? My guess is they know it goes on, but just ignore it.
Sickening...
I know this is slightly (ok very different) and if someone could clarify that would be brilliant (I'm going out on a bit of a whim here...), but...
If some one commits ABH/GBH (or similar) on another person and there are no witnesses except a camera which was put there unlawfully, what would happen then? what if instead of GBH the crime was murder... I know this is different to what has happened but despite the evidence being obtained illegally, it still shows animal cruelty... They simply cannot ignore the evidence, can they?
I know this is slightly (ok very different) and if someone could clarify that would be brilliant (I'm going out on a bit of a whim here...), but...
If some one commits ABH/GBH (or similar) on another person and there are no witnesses except a camera which was put there unlawfully, what would happen then? what if instead of GBH the crime was murder... I know this is different to what has happened but despite the evidence being obtained illegally, it still shows animal cruelty... They simply cannot ignore the evidence, can they?
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Ok, call me horrible.. but we kill animals to eat them, they get slaughtered and die. Are these animals that concerned on their method of death? are they that smart? Does the pain an animal feel at its time of death really affect anyone and does it have an effect on their meat etc?
Its not about their method of death, its about the unnecessary beatings, cigarettes being stumped on their faces while they are alive, and being dragged by the ears that people are complaining about as shown in the video.
Did you watch the video? Pet dogs are going to die one day, so if I see someone elses pet dog could I batter it with a baseball bat if I got kicks and giggles out of doing so? Or how about throwing it off a bridge?
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Its that fact they are being harmed prior to death.
If you had a pet who was getting old and was due to be put down, and we started putting cigarettes out on its head and beating it with bats would you be happy.
And YES, it does effect the quality of meat. If an animal dies while being stressed, the meat becomes bitter.