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Another example:
You sell me an apple for 20p, I give you the money, you then refuse to give me the apple. You leave it on the table and walk off, so I take the apple. I'm not stealing it, I'm simply taking what I paid for and what I am entitled too.

Also you should check my steam profile, go on, it's in my signature., give it a click. Didn't know pirates paid for so many games, maybe you shouldn't assume people pirate, pretty ridiculous.

Except he can still sell his apple again and again and again, you just cloned it.
 
It's not theft by definition, the closest thing as an equivalent would probably be handling stolen goods. Someone else made the copy and then you used the copy.



But it is not like that in your cinema description. It is closer to "you buy an apple, are not allowed to eat the apple, and then decide to find someone who stole a load of apples from the farm, and eat one of them."

Not exactly, you're not taking something from someone else which will cost them money, just using an alternative means to get what you paid for.

1 more example if you will:
EA downloader/origin has a thing where if your account is inactive for a certain period, they wipe all your games off. If I purchased Crysis 2 from there, and 2 years later I decide "I fancy playing Crysis 2" but it's no longer there, technically I shouldn't torrent it, because it's illegal, but I have already paid for the game, so I'm getting what I paid for, once you buy something it's yours. I'm not going to pay again because of a ridiculous decision which shouldn't even be there.

It's all about taking what you're entitled too, sometimes it's not legal, but morally it's not wrong IMO.
 
Not exactly, you're not taking something from someone else which will cost them money, just using an alternative means to get what you paid for.

Which is why very few people can come up with any equivalents to pirating in any other field. You can't clone an Apple.

1 more example if you will:
EA downloader/origin has a thing where if your account is inactive for a certain period, they wipe all your games off. If I purchased Crysis 2 from there, and 2 years later I decide "I fancy playing Crysis 2" but it's no longer there, technically I shouldn't torrent it, because it's illegal, but I have already paid for the game, so I'm getting what I paid for, once you buy something it's yours. I'm not going to pay again because of a ridiculous decision which shouldn't even be there.

But when you originally paid EA for the game, you did not buy the game, you only paid them for the licence to play the game. If you check the small print when you install, it will probably tell you that you only buy a licence, and that if not used, that licence will be revoked.
It is not their fault that you didn't use the licence for two years.

If you kill my brother, does that mean morally I should be allowed to kill you or your brother to even things out. No.
 
The principal was exactly the same, in a different scenario, taking what you're entitled to.
You were (in your cinema scenario) only entitled to one viewing of your chosen film at the cinema not at home, and not for multiple viewings.

I don't even have 3DSMAX, it's called an example, and I didn't confirm if I did or didn't pirate in that post, you just assumed I did, "if" is a pretty big word for such few letters, you then accused me of being 1 with no factual proof other than a scenario and and example.
What ever. Filthy pirate.
 

But when you originally paid EA for the game, you did not buy the game, you only paid them for the licence to play the game. If you check the small print when you install, it will probably tell you that you only buy a licence, and that if not used, that licence will be revoked.
It is not their fault that you didn't use the licence for two years.

The license is bound to you regardless, they can't reuse it.
I know what the small print says, but i'd still torrent it, because I have paid for the game, not using it for a set time is ridiculous. I will take what I have paid for and what I am entitled to, regardless of it is it legal or not. Technically it's still mine and morally it's not wrong.

If you kill my brother, does that mean morally I should be allowed to kill you or your brother to even things out. No.

Irrelevant.

What ever. Filthy pirate.

Mad?
 
A person hears an Iron Maiden song on the radio on the way to work, he quite likes it so looks at buying their latest album online, he is disgusted at the price, so downloads it by torrent instead, saving him £6

For the majority of pirates, this would be the kind of thought process they go through. Those that want to steal for stealing sake would do so anyway, so lets ignore them for now.

What hasn't been done is a detailed study on what happens AFTER the said illegal activity. How many of these Pirates are actually some of the artists biggest fans, and subsequently splash out on merchandise and concert tickets? ( We cannot yet download a T-shirt)
I'd argue that in many cases in music piracy, torrents can increase sales for an artist. Many artists in the metal genre get next to no album sales at all, and haven't done for many years, yet they are still able to make a living do what they love thanks to concert and merchandise sales.


This argument doesn't really apply to the film or game industry however
 
A person hears an Iron Maiden song on the radio on the way to work, he quite likes it so looks at buying their latest album online, he is disgusted at the price, so downloads it by torrent instead, saving him £6

For the majority of pirates, this would be the kind of thought process they go through. Those that want to steal for stealing sake would do so anyway, so lets ignore them for now.

What hasn't been done is a detailed study on what happens AFTER the said illegal activity. How many of these Pirates are actually some of the artists biggest fans, and subsequently splash out on merchandise and concert tickets? ( We cannot yet download a T-shirt)
I'd argue that in many cases in music piracy, torrents can increase sales for an artist. Many artists in the metal genre get next to no album sales at all, and haven't done for many years, yet they are still able to make a living do what they love thanks to concert and merchandise sales.


This argument doesn't really apply to the film or game industry however

Thats the flip side to the question. Very debateable.
 
The license is bound to you regardless, they can't reuse it.
I know what the small print says, but i'd still torrent it, because I have paid for the game, not using it for a set time is ridiculous. I will take what I have paid for and what I am entitled to, regardless of it is it legal or not. Technically it's still mine and morally it's not wrong.
You're not entitled to it, legally nor morally. Simples.

Jovial, actually. Can tell you're mad though :D
 
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NO!

We are not communists like China.

Also torrents are not illegal, many games that are legally purchased now offer a download in a torrent format.

Let's be realistic here.

In the red corner, websites which actively promote the illegal/immoral violation of copyrights. We are not idiots here, please don't argue that there is a legitimate use for sites such as "thepiratebay". Clue's in the name, there.

In the blue corner, the government. Plenty of evidence that they don't like copyright violations, and will snuggle up to media rights companies. No evidence to support the conspiracy theorists here who are sure they will start blocking access to labour.org.uk or worldofwarcraft.com.

Are we really so paranoid that we'd give more weight to the anti-blocking conspiracy theorists than the actual and proven rights violations that we know are occurring millions of times a minute?
 
Can I go around stealing cars whilst saying that in my opinion it's not theft and get away with it?

No, because 'your opinion' doesnt matter, neither does mine, or iDroids. All that matters is what the law says - and the law tells us that if you take my mobile phone and run away with it and sell it on Ebay, thats theft, but if you download a music album, thats not theft.

It doesnt mean its legal - it just means it isn't theft.

Why is this so hard for some of you to grasp?
 
You're not entitled to it, legally nor morally. Simples.

Jovial, actually. Can tell you're mad though :D

Looks like you have nothing else to really retort after your moronic assumptions made you look a bit silly. You can have the last word though if it makes you feel a bit better about it all.

Also love the disguised "NO U" response, very mature.
 
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No, because 'your opinion' doesnt matter, neither does mine, or iDroids. All that matters is what the law says - and the law tells us that if you take my mobile phone and run away with it and sell it on Ebay, thats theft, but if you download a music album, thats not theft.

It doesnt mean its legal - it just means it isn't theft.

That was kinda my point. :p
 
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