Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

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[TW]Fox;19778971 said:
It cannot be used as an excuse - everyone gets largely the same opportunities as far as free education goes. Sure, the privilaged few get even greater opportunities, I wont dispute that, but we all get the opportunity to take GCSE's and if we want to do A levels - thats totally free of charge as well.

You can't squander these opportunities but then blame everyone else. Plenty of people from poor backgrounds manage to not acheive nothing at school. Plenty of people manage to live in really bad areas and still not fail everything at school. It's about attitude.

These guys dont trash things because they have no other choice, they trash things because they WANT to, and because the ENJOY doing it.
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Fox, with all due respect it is very easy to talk about people having broadly equal opportunities with your type of background. The fact is that it isn't nearly that simple for many of these guys.
 
Dolph said:
There is no evidence that sure start and EMA do anything of the sort, especially looking at the ages of many of the looters ;) Indeed one of the big problems with our welfare system (and a difference from many other countries where income inequality is lessened) is that our system has a massive benefit trap and a system of entitlement without responsibility.

However, the decision to become violent scum remains solely with the individual, there are no excuses and no justifications that remove or diminish this. Society cannot be responsible for the choices of individuals.
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+1
 
scorza said:
So the General Strike and and against the Luddites. I guess the Army will only get called in now if the rich start getting affected by the riots, at the moment it's just the small people so who cares really?
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Well, given that the army was used to ensure food deliveries to the general population, no.
 
Dmack said:
I'd say yes there is a large number but it's not just black people, the news has been showing loads of white and asian people all day shouting at the police and egging them on. However the two videos we've seen of looting mainly showed black people which hurts me being black myself.
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Yeah it's good mate at all. :(
 
Halfmad said:
Young lads with no qualifications, never had a job with little or no prospects of getting one. I can't say who's to blame but that's certainly part of the problem.
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Its their problem and the problem for the people who brought them up (or rather made a half arsed attempt of it). If the speeches by black community leaders are anything to go by then the average adult in these communities is a complete retard - its not surprising the kids turn out to be complete and utter scum.
The expectation that the state is to blame is flawed IMO, there are plenty of poor areas in the UK - it doesn't always lead to high levels of crime and disorder. The main issue here is just the general ****ty attitude of people thought certain communities.
 
There are now reports that the Childrens hospital in Birmingham has been attacked as it's opposite a police station :(

Shocked if it's true.
 
Joshy said:
Fox, with all due respect it is very easy to talk about people having broadly equal opportunities with your type of background. The fact is that it isn't nearly that simple for many of these guys.
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Meaning what? :confused:

Joshy, I guess you went to an inner London school. You seem to want to go on and on about how horrible life is, so I'm guessing you had a tough time as well.

But... whats this? You... are sitting here. On a computer you bought for yourself. With a full time job you secured for yourself. You are not smashing up cars or setting fire to things.

You are therefore proof that we are right - it's just crap mindset and excuses. Yes, things could be better, but this is no excuse for what is going on. None at all. It's perfectly possible to not be a criminal degenerate just because you didn't go to Eton.
 
Biohazard said:
In your opinion no one caused them to riot. After all, this is a subjective thing and you are taking your position again.
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They chose to react in this way (for the few that may have been genuinely impacted by the shooting), and the rest are just taking advantage. No-one caused them to riot but their own choices.

They are responsible for their own behavour, but that is not to say that there cannot be significant social impact on conditioning. To ignore it, or even the potential, is political dogma.
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Of course there can be social impact, but that does not excuse the behaviour in the slightest, and the solution to it can never be to pander to it.

Yes, we know this. But I'm asking why this has occurred then, the catalyst. Because this is not happening elsewhere, and people keep pointing too 'just because' or 'Black'. That isn't an answer.
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There isn't an answer, beyond the fact that these people are scum. They have chosen to behave in this way, en masse, no-one has forced them to, no-one has made them. They have chosen their paths in life, no-one else.

No it's not, it's to prevent mental convervatives with crazy ideas about the state from riding rough shod with the 'there is no such thing as society' pish.
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If you use the speech in context, the speech is very relevant to the behaviour of a bunch of thugs trying to take what they haven't earnt, either through violence or the pandering of the state...
 
"andy" said:
or someone gets accidentally killed when one knocks them to the floor and the violence escalates

50/50 and not a decision id like to attach my name too
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and what happens when a family gets burnt alive when their flat gets set alight, innocent people should come first, those rioting have forfeited their rights by threating innocent people.
 
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