Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

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[TW]Fox;19782476 said:
I certainly wouldnt be criticising the actions of people whose jobs and challenges I couldnt even begin to understand.

I'm referring only to the people being openly critical of the people on the ground, the people risking injury to try and do what they can to sort this mess.
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Agreed, nothing bad should be said against the people trying to control the situation.

But more needs to be done to get it under control. And that's where I think most of the anger is coming from. They're handling violent thugs with kid gloves.
 
ThundyCat said:
Do the police still use/or allowed to use plastic bullets?
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I believe so, when special powers have been invoked.


We need to get tough. Hurt them like they are doing to peoples homes and business right now.


Put the fear of god into them.


I would think COBRA would convene now and make plans.
 
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Merlin5 said:
All they've made is 450 arrests. I doubt that's even an eighth of the amount of criminals involved since saturday. Somehow, Theresa May thinks that's satisfactory. Had they used more force, they could have nailed many many more.
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They really can’t though. Many have already worked over 20 hours solid with no break and they are massively out numbered in certain areas. The kids are running distraction sorties, setting fire to stuff at one end of a street to draw the police down then looting the other and setting more fire.

Its also far more organised than we probably know. Witnesses on the radio have said they are using whistles to call people (looting) out of the shops and that every now and then vans and cars are pulling up and being loaded up with stuff by the people on the street, some of which they say look as young as 12 -15.

How do you expect the police to deal with that ? Would you want to wade into massive groups of potentially armed individuals that vastly outnumber you ?
 
[TW]Fox;19782476 said:
I honestly don't know - but thats because I am a computer geek not a trained police officer, police commander or a government minister.

I certainly wouldnt be criticising the actions of people whose jobs and challenges I couldnt even begin to understand.

I'm referring only to the people being openly critical of the people on the ground, the people risking injury to try and do what they can to sort this mess.
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I agree with you in the way that it's not the actual police officers on the ground that are at fault here. They are doing all that they can by orders of the government.

Millions of people around the world are probably laughing at the law in this country and the lack of force they can actually use to stop serious crime, and Theresa May's speech this morning.

It is an utter joke.
 
[TW]Fox;19782476 said:
I honestly don't know - but thats because I am a computer geek not a trained police officer, police commander or a government minister.

I certainly wouldnt be criticising the actions of people whose jobs and challenges I couldnt even begin to understand.

I'm referring only to the people being openly critical of the people on the ground, the people risking injury to try and do what they can to sort this mess.
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The only difference between being an everyday person and someone trained in this is that one will have an informed opinion the other wont - doesnt mean the opinion is invalid or wrong.

Most people dont have a clue how I do my job and what it involves yet they are still entitled to criticise - only difference is how much weight I put into their opinion. Some people would view a lack of criticism as tacit approval.

The people on the ground have very little decision making power and thus should not be held accountable. The officers and commanders however do need to be held accountable. We have heard that there were several thousand police on duty last night - it might have been better to co-ordinate the police in several large groups that could take on the protestors as opposed to lots of small groups who could not.

From a risking injury perspective thats part of the job of being in the police just as much as soldiers risk injury in the army. They signed up to a job knowning that dealing with violent criminals and protests would be part of it.
 
Metropolitan Police says all cells in London are full and suspects are being taken to stations outside the capital

:eek: How many other people were already occupying those cells!
 
[TW]Fox;19782449 said:
Why is everyone in here certainly a public order expert who absolutely knows better than the authorities because of the view they had from the Sky News chopper in the comfort of the living room?
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You're saying the authorities have a handle on this, and know what they're doing?
 
Forde said:
Bad things happen when armies take to the streets! The police should be able to cope on their own, to be honest. It's alarming to think how poorly they've performed (the guys giving the orders, anyway - I'm sure the ordinary bobby has worked damn hard for three nights under scary conditions) against a bunch of thugs organised over social media sites. I hate to think what would happen if something more major happened.
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No, can you not see the police cannot cope as it is.

They need the army or TA to provide backup/support. They can be used under police command but more likely they will take full control of the situation.

I think show of force will be greatly appreciated by the large majority of the UK population. It's just not a London thing any more.
I would have more faith in the authorities if more of these looting scum receives the full wraith of the police/army.

It's gone past the time to be sitting back to just capture footage, etc to nab these scum later. They're just making a mockery of our (very) lax justice system.

People's livelihoods are up in flames and vandalised


:mad::mad:

Anyhow, good morning to you all.
:)
 
wannabedamned said:
Agreed, nothing bad should be said against the people trying to control the situation.

But more needs to be done to get it under control. And that's where I think most of the anger is coming from. They're handling violent thugs with kid gloves.
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No - the sad thing is that they're handling kids with kid gloves.
 
ThundyCat said:
Do the police still use/or allowed to use plastic bullets?
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Police are too scared to do anything because they know the media/politicians will crucifiy them for being racist/too violent after the event if they do what needs to be done to stop this. They're all just standing back waiting for orders from the top because they don't want to risk their jobs by making the decision themselves on the ground to protect peoples property.
 
I can't wait to see Cameron's excuse in the next few hours.

You can't expect the Army to run wild with lethal weapons, but it makes no sense why tear gas or rubber bullets weren't used?
 
[TW]Sponge;19782500 said:
I agree with you in the way that it's not the actual police officers on the ground that are at fault here. They are doing all that they can by orders of the government.

Millions of people around the world are probably laughing at the law in this country and the lack of force they can actually use to stop serious crime, and Theresa May's speech this morning.

It is an utter joke.
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Theresa May has no connecting with this at all - was a laughable speech indeed. What people want is this stomped on now. The public will soon get out of the way.
 
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