Lack of fathers root cause of violence

spudbynight said:
I think we might have moved past there being an easy solution.
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There's never been an easy solution, that's my point.

I'm just not sure what the point of this thread is then. We've known for years that an unstable family environment is not good for bringing up kids.

spudbynight said:
A married mother and father is the best environment for a child to be brought up in. Having a single parent is inferior. Having unmarried parents is inferior. Having two same sex parents is inferior.
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Again this is very simplistic. Yes, it might be deemed preferential to have all children brought up by a happily married couple.

But as per my previous post, is it preferential to be brought up by a couple who have domestic issues, violence and abuse, or to be brought up by a single parent, who walks away from that situation?

Saying that the best parents are always married parents, even if true, is a pointless statement. As the reverse is not true, ie enforcing parents to be married, does not automatically make them good parents, never-mind the best.
 
krooton said:
I'd rate them above having a crap single parent or married chavs for parents. :rolleyes:
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+1

Married parents is not a carte blanche solution. A stable, loving and disciplined upbringing is. I know plent of single people who have brought up children that are well rounded, well behaved members of society.
 
I haven't seen anyone say it yet, but i might as well...

Males generally being the main income earner, doesn't help either...my father literally left the country.

Income became 0 for a long time since the government thought we had money which we didnt, then frankly i was old enough to get by, but (just not that old enough) to do much at all about the situation.

Now i wont compare myself to these people, but western society is very vacant at the moment, im not religious and marriage to me seems nothing more than a tax break, people shouldn't need such an archaic system to coexist together, when its obviously failing.

We need to stop making bad decisions all round, i havent seen one good decision since labour took office back in 1997 to now.

Who keeps voting in these annoying, condescending and completely disassociated with the people they are supposed to lead, hell the only person i can see sense from is Farage (not simply on Europe, but hes comparable to Ron paul in the US in how different he comes across and yet people ignore him over propaganda...).

I dont wish any ill on the UK, i simply cannot respect a population that lets it fall this far, as much as id love to be an action person, i am not.
 
colthillary said:
I am commited to my partner. 14 years and counting to be honest. Not many in this day an age can say theyve been with there missus since they were 18! We were together for many years before having a child.
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I have no problem for childless couples to be together without being married but once you have children I think you should be married (can just be done at the registry office) as the child gets better legal rights when its parents are married.
 
spudbynight said:
Can you give me a negative if you were to get married?
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I never said that there was one did I? I said its a life choice, if you need it then thats fine. Just dont judge others that feel its not for them.

My folks have been married and divorced 3 times lol, perhaps this is a reason for my dislike of marriage.

All i know is, im happy with my arrangement and my child is doing just as well with us (even without a ring).
 
Dolph said:
IDS has been saying this for a long time, and yet every attempt to try and support marriage and the like has been attacked by the trendy left who have instead worked hard to bred and spread this problem.

Rights come with responsibilities, we need to restore that link.
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Agreed.
 
LordSplodge said:
I have no problem for childless couples to be together without being married but once you have children I think you should be married (can just be done at the registry office) as the child gets better legal rights when its parents are married.
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Why should a child (or parent) be entitled to any more or any less rights because their coming together was or was not witnessed in the house of a being that nobody can prove or disprove exists?

It's retarded.

Separation of church and state.
 
div0 said:
There's never been an easy solution, that's my point.

I'm just not sure what the point of this thread is then. We've known for years that an unstable family environment is not good for bringing up kids.

Again this is very simplistic. Yes, it might be deemed preferential to have all children brought up by a happily married couple.

But as per my previous post, is it preferential to be brought up by a couple who have domestic issues, violence and abuse, or to be brought up by a single parent, who walks away from that situation?

Saying that the best parents are always married parents, even if true, is a pointless statement. As the reverse is not true, ie enforcing parents to be married, does not automatically make them good parents, never-mind the best.
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There isn't an easy solution - but we have been going in the wrong direction for a long time.

My wife is foreign and she can't get over what a PC mess this country is. As an outsider she can see a marked difference in this country since before Labour came to power in 1997. We have become a nation of hand wringing twits.

We, as a country, need to stop making excuses. It isn't about legislating - it is about educating. Don't force parents to marry but educate them that it is better to be married than not.

We can use all sorts of extreme examples to try and justify a point but that doesn't hold water. Yes, a single parent with a good education and sense of right and wrong is going to be a better bet for a child than Fred and Rosemary West.
 
spudbynight said:
What I am saying is that the lack of a stable home environment and strong male role model especially means that children are more likely to go astray.
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Nope not a chance that's the cause of riots and looting. I'll happily bet quite a lot of money that many of the rioters have 2 parents that are always involved in life.

I grew up without a strong male role model in my house (dad was always drunk and a recluse after I was about 8) and I'm pretty sure I haven't gone astray there....

Lack of justice or social responsibility from the Police could be a much better cause....
 
colthillary said:
I never said that there was one did I? I said its a life choice, if you need it then thats fine. Just dont judge others that feel its not for them.

My folks have been married and divorced 3 times lol, perhaps this is a reason for my dislike of marriage.

All i know is, im happy with my arrangement and my child is doing just as well with us (even without a ring).
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So you don't see a negative in getting married. We have stats showing that married parents are less likely to seperate.

Can you accept then that for society as a whole we should be encouraging marriage as the ideal?
 
I don't understand, how does a couple not being married but living together make them 'inferior' parents over a married couple?? Utter crap if you ask me, better legal rights my ass, that would be predjudiced.
 
StriderX said:
Its?

I'm not impressed by that.
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I don't know the child's gender, hence it. I could have wrote he/she if that would make the pedants feel better. ;)

Brian8bit said:
Why should a child (or parent) be entitled to any more or any less rights because their coming together was or was not witnessed in the house of a being that nobody can prove or disprove exists?

It's retarded.

Separation of church and state.
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It is separate. I'm married, I did not get married in a church. You seem to have some issues with religion that have no relevance in this thread.
 
Shayper said:
My mum has had two divorces, should I be rioting?

I think it's mainly down to the environment these kids were brought up in. It's all very well blamin the parents, but if a kid goes all bat**** crazy because of the mates he hangs round with (peer pressure) what can the parent really do? I was lucky enough to be brought up in a good environment with a loving mother, and so far I haven't become one of these scrotes, I'm holding down two jobs and studying at uni (in London unfortunately, I do hope this ends before I go back =\)
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I'm a firm believe in peers having a much larger influence on the current generation of kids than even when current twentysomethings were early teens.

It's more like your parents and family lay the foundation when you are a baby/child, and the crowd you fall in with from puberty tends to set the mould for early adulthood nowadays given how social communication has changed to drastically.
 
LordSplodge said:
I don't know the child's gender, hence it. I could have wrote he/she if that would make the pedants feel better. ;)



It is separate. I'm married, I did not get married in a church. You seem to have some issues with religion that have no relevance in this thread.
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Couldn't you have just said their?
 
Oi! I do not authorise you to miss-quote me in your signature. I was having a dig both at your claim there was no social underclass 50 years ago and comparing it to the life and lies of career politicians.
 
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