Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

DiCe! · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:44

robmol said:
So we pay for them to have a few months in an overcrowded hotel with locked doors, so they can meet other like minded people then come out, probably with a worse mindset than they went in with, what a result.

your right, **** it, lets just shoot them.

drunkenmaster · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:44

Captain Planet said:
Absolute twaddle. There are jobs, the only thing is people aren't willing to do them because they feel "above" them

No, there aren't, theres literally MILLIONS of unemployed people on top of hundreds of thousand to millions more basically made up public sector jobs which were created to save more people being officially unemployed.

Theres plenty of crap jobs out there, there isn't even close, not even ballpark enough jobs for every single last person of working age to be working, no where near.

Iraklis F.C. · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:45

a universoty degree does not guarantee you a proper job these days, i know people with phd's working as cashiers and i am not kidding you nor is it something rare...

The Funktopus · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:46

Never understood the need for the EMA personally. Why would you need paying as an incentive to better yourself through your free education? Isn't that in itself incentive enough.

Edit: I'm being silly aren't I? I'm attributing the people who spout the EMA cut as a reason for them to riot more braincells than teeth.

majestyk · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:47

One council said anyone convicted will lose their council tenancy.

So then they are declared homeless and re-housed by the council.

Brilliant. :rolleyes:

UK-AL05 · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:48

Iraklis F.C. said:
a universoty degree does not guarantee you a proper job these days, i know people with phd's working as cashiers and i am not kidding you nor is it something rare...

I know someone with a masters in electronic engineering working as a cashier =P i think his got a decent job in a few weeks though.

scorza · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:49

The Funktopus said:
Never understood the need for the EMA personally. Why would you need paying as an incentive to better yourself through your free education?

Because for people from poor backgrounds, there is pressure on them to go out to work to get money now to ease the burden on the parents rather than stay in education. Sheesh, I swear some people on here have never actually met a poor person.

BTW, the benefits of EMA outweigh the costs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11998992

Firestar_3x · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:50

majestyk said:
One council said anyone convicted will lose their council tenancy.

So then they are declared homeless and re-housed by the council.

Brilliant.

Who's said the council will re-house them again?

The Funktopus · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:51

Because for people from poor backgrounds, there is pressure on them to go out to work to get money now to ease the burden on the parents rather than stay in education. Sheesh, I swear some people on here have never actually met a poor person.

Yep. When I went to College in 2000 we were the first year it was available to. Most people who got it spent it on beer mostly, irrespective of background.

Oh, and being part of the Bourgeoisie apparently, Watercress and Cucumber sandwiches. Even though I never applied since I wouldn't qualify, what, with my parents not being separated and both having jobs and all.

majestyk · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:53

Firestar_3x said:
Who's said the council will re-house them again?

Generally if you are homeless the council will re-house you. They wouldn't be sleeping on the street

Jokester · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:54

majestyk said:
Generally if you are homeless the council will re-house you. They wouldn't be sleeping on the street

The council won't rehouse them, it'll be no different to anyone that gets kicked out by the council for anti-social behaviour or trashing the house.

Firestar_3x · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:55

majestyk said:
Generally if you are homeless the council will re-house you. They wouldn't be sleeping on the street

But the council has chucked you out for being a cretin.

You can only give someone so many chances in life before it's time to cut your losses and move on, you can't act like a total tool all your life then expect people to keep handing out free stuff, act civil or you will be on the street, do that to a few people and the rest will soon learn.

Xelene · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:55

Jokester said:
The council won't rehouse them, it'll be no different to anyone that gets kicked out by the council for anti-social behaviour or trashing the house.

So they won't get Housing Benefit then?

Xelene · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:57

Just a little gripe, why does the media refer to Water Cannon? Is there only one in the entire world? And if so, shouldn't they refer to The Water Cannon?

Edit: I fail at English, the plural of Cannon is Cannon.

Jokester · 10 Aug 2011 at 19:57

sldsmkd said:
So they won't get Housing Benefit then?

They'll get their housing benefits, but it'll be up to them to organise their own property in the private sector.

Neil79 · 10 Aug 2011 at 20:00

I keep getting loads of jokes about the rioters on my mobile

, Can't post them though lol

Redman · 10 Aug 2011 at 20:02

scorza said:
Because for people from poor backgrounds, there is pressure on them to go out to work to get money now to ease the burden on the parents rather than stay in education. Sheesh, I swear some people on here have never actually met a poor person.

BTW, the benefits of EMA outweigh the costs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11998992

I was a poor person. Council estate in newcastle, and I worked hard to get qualifications so that I didn't stay one. I had no EMA, I did on the other hand have jobs to earn money while I was educated for free.

Get of your high horse and realise that if you give people enough to live comfortably, then they have no need for betterment. Now if you scale back benefits, but don't remove them when people work, then you're opening the door to progression. Half the battle is getting people into a work routine - things change when you have a purpose.

Dolph · 10 Aug 2011 at 20:02

chumpit said:
any clue what the sentences being given are like?

The london ones have been referred to the crown court, because the magistrates weren't satisfied that the 6 months in prison they can impose as a maximum was sufficient

mushroomsoup · 10 Aug 2011 at 20:03

Neil79, was it something about a job centre, a certain ethinic minority and where is safest to hide?

nick1988 · 10 Aug 2011 at 20:03

DiCe! said:
your right, **** it, lets just shoot them.

Simple yet effective eh

These types of people are of no use to anyone they acted like animals so cull them like animals! Extreme... but I bet they would have thought twice before stepping outside to cause millions of pounds worth of damage.

Harsher punishments would scare a lot of the opportunists away I reckon.