Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

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I left the house at 7am every day to get to college and got home at 7pm every night, and worked Saturday and Sunday at Burger King to pay for my College and Bus. The local LEA college was a dump so travelled 30 miles each way to get to the next county to study. (Paying £500 a year of my own money on fees) I got through University with a combination of Loans, Grants and working 30-40 hours a week in a call centre.

It's just weak to blame the Government, you make your own damn chances.

Similar for me, during a-levels I left, 7.30am ish, traveled on the tube, was in college taking 4 a-levels(when they were still really a-levels), physics, maths, advanced maths and chem. Left at 5pm, got home, changed, was at M&S by 6, worked through till 11pm, walked a couple miles home, did any work I had(not much in general as I'd do stuff throughout spare time at college. I can't remember now, I think I did 3 week nights, saturdays, and got offered to work most sundays with awesome pay.

I was shattered, but I had money, went out with friends, paid for everything myself and was dealing with a heck of a lot of chronic pain and migraines.

I wasn't entitled to any pay outs, or grants, and wouldn't have applied for any if I had been entitled, I wanted to work hard, I taught myself my GCSE's(as due to operations on knee's I missed around 14 months of my two GCSE years).

Education is about your own attitude, nothing more or less. Someone who doesn't want to learn can go to the best school in the country and learn nothing, someone who really wants to learn can teach themselves just about anything in the local library for free, or now on the internet.

Parents are a huge thing here, if they teach their children education doesn't matter, the kids won't care about learning, and throwing resources at kids who don't want to learn is money down the drain.

Labour are a complete joke, one of the MOST IMPORTANT things about growing up is getting a job early, experiencing work life, responsibility, being tired, feeling good about making a pay check, understanding what it takes to get that money and spending it responsibly, or irresponsibly, because you damn well made it and can get drunk if you want.

A job as a teenager prepares people for life, gets them used to work, exposes them to the outside life, beyond the bubble of teachers and parents who only treat you as children. Jobs are essential and Labours brilliant idea is pay people so they don't have to go through a fundamental learning experience which will prepare them for life. Instead pay for them to buy cigs and booze, teach them to live off handouts, then they finish school and choose more handouts rather than work.

EMA is maybe the single worst thing Labour have ever done to this country, and Scorza is ruddy well talking about how useful it is.
 
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Look how quickly they become out numbered! :eek:

You can see why they avoided confrontation when they had so few numbers on the street.

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that is a shocker of a vid, they do go from holding steady to being outnumbered within about 5 seconds. thing is though, one pop of a cs canister or a few rubber bullet warnings and that would not have happened.

feel really sorry for them, they must have been bricking it and so must their families :(
 
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that is a shocker of a vid, they do go from holding steady to being outnumbered within about 5 seconds. thing is though, one pop of a cs canister or a few rubber bullet warnings and that would not have happened.

feel really sorry for them, they must have been bricking it and so must their families :(

It was like Left 4 Dead
 
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When I was at college everyone spent EMA on CD's, DVD's, mobile phone credit and going out.

Except me, because I was literally one of about two people in my class who were not entitled to it. I had to have a part time job to buy things with :rolleyes:

When I was at college one of my best mates, and one of the cleverest, nicest guys I've met wasn't there because his step-Dad told him he wasn't paying for him to go through college. As a result he went to become an apprentice riveter at British Aerospace. I have anecdotal stories too.

If you want evidence based policies, then you must have EMA or something similar. That's the finding from the Institute of Fiscal Studies.
 


Look at your friend, now back to me; now at your friend, now back to me! Sadly, he isn't me; but if he stopped using antisocial behavior and started using job center he could be like me. Look down, back up. Where are we? You're at an interview, with the man your friend could work for! What's in his hand? It's an application form to that job he needs. Look again.. the form is now money! Anything is possible when you get a job and stop looting. I'm at a desk.
 
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Look how quickly they become out numbered! :eek:

You can see why they avoided confrontation when they had so few numbers on the street.

Christ alive! That's pretty scary footage. I have absolutely nothing but upmost respect for the police. Their behaviour has been nothing less than courageous against overwhelming odds.

They need medals for that.
 
Where was the police and why did they not stop all the property damage ?

what a joke.

You can barely fart in this country without a helicopter being deployed and you expect me to believe some worthless low life's managed to steal and loot before the police could show up.

I have seen an electric explosion in london on a construction site and it caused for the whole road to be called off, two fire engines, 8 police cars and a helicopter.

Something is wrong with that one. Just shows when it comes down to it, the police are not prepared to risk their necks for some private property.
 
Where was the police and why did they not stop all the property damage ?

what a joke.

You can barely fart in this country without a helicopter being deployed and you expect me to believe some worthless low life's managed to steal and loot before the police could show up.

I have seen an electric explosion in london on a construction site and it caused for the whole road to be called off, two fire engines, 8 police cars and a helicopter.

Something is wrong with that one. Just shows when it comes down to it, the police are not prepared to risk their necks for some private property.

What a load of tosh, last time i checked the police can't teleport.
 
Yeah, hats off to all the police involved and those genuine vigilantes, takes some balls to do that.

Look at your friend, now back to me; now at your friend, now back to me! Sadly, he isn't me; but if he stopped using antisocial behavior and started using job center he could be like me. Look down, back up. Where are we? You're at an interview, with the man your friend could work for! What's in his hand? It's an application form to that job he needs. Look again.. the form is now money! Anything is possible when you get a job and stop looting. I'm at a desk.

At least give the original commenter the credit for that. :p
 
has this vid of suspected police beating the rioters in manchester been posted?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14482695

I was at work today just thinking, if I was talking to David Cameron or a senior police figure, I would say to them something along the lines of:

If you were to ask the majority of upstanding law-abiding Britons, most probably wouldn't be upset if some of these yobs got a clip round the ear with a riot shield. I can understand how when you have planned protests that have got a little bit out of hand, that police wading in with an 'over the top' response could be inflammatory.

But if you want to talk about inflammatory, you only have to look at people having their homes literally set on fire. The situation I was watching from behind the safety of my computer screen in my sleepy town on Monday night was totally out of control (and totally unprovoked in my eyes too). This was not just protesters causing a bit of criminal damage here and there, this was wanton desctruction of peoples lives. People are losing their businesses, people are losing their homes, and now people are losing their sons. If only 10% of the damage caused earlier in the week had been caused by terrorists, we'd be expecting a tough response. In my eyes, these people are terrorists and we should take all steps necessary to prevent their actions.

I've now watched that video and big wow, the guy gets hit about a couple of times and put on the ground, not even close to the danger we've seen officers come up against from mobs charging and pelting with missiles and molotovs, not even close to the horrors faced by families living in flats being torched from underneath them. It's not a Rodney King incident, they aren't stamping his face into the kerb, the guy got off really lightly compared to what could have happened (and I'm not condoning anything here, I'm just pointing out that it didn't look like the police were out of control, they were just putting what was presumably a criminal on the floor in a violent manner).
 
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