Go for it. If you actually quote what I said. By chance have you actually read the economic theory behind it?
http://tutor2u.net/economics/gcse/revision_notes/work_minimum_wage.htm
GCSE level for you.
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Go for it. If you actually quote what I said. By chance have you actually read the economic theory behind it?
http://tutor2u.net/economics/gcse/revision_notes/work_minimum_wage.htm
GCSE level for you.
Because that would literally break the country's back financially. Work is work, money is money. Too many takers, not enough given back.
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Excuse me, I am not talking about my life or circumstances at all here.
Please explain to me, if there is work that needs to be doing, enough to get 30 hours a week out of it, why is that job being forced on workers for 1 third minimum wage. Same question to you, can i officially quote you as saying we should scrap minimum wage, perhaps implementing a tiered class wage system?
if they are unable to find employment over the long term then lack of experience will be a big issue, the government is merely providing them experience while they seek proper employment.
much like apprentices don't get paid minimum wage.
How do you stay stagnant? Looking for work is a full time job. You can take that time to practice interview technique, gain experience and manage feedback from failed applications. The more you work at something, the greatly your chances are of achieving it.
Your negative attitude tells me all I need to know. A slim chance of landing a job is better than no chance at all. Postivie mental attitude.
If you apply for jobs with the mind set that you wont get it, then chances are you wont!
you clearly have no idea on how odds/statistics work
See above
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What is the point of linking me to that? Do you have a point? If so make it, and how dare you be so condescending.
It is for you to get an understanding as to why some people do not agree with a minimum wage. It is a nice and simple diagram, clearing explained. If I was to link the A level stuff the diagram goes
Economically speaking, the minimum wage is only good in certain circumstances, it is about balance. I believe it is too high and thus restricting the number of jobs.
This forums seems to be polarized either either we are all Gordon Gecko, or we are all Communists. Expanding your horizons might help.
I think he's made a fair point there about the damage the minimum wage can do.
Quite, the minimum wage should be variable in times of need.
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Not sure about scrapping minimum wage, what relevance does that have?
I understand the view point that going to work for some of these people is an undesireable one because it means hardly any improvement on their benefits but I am of the opinon that
A. Every member of society has a moral duty to seek a job and provide for their nation, despite how much they earn. It should at the least be about having a little pride in yourself!
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B. Most importantly, having a job and sticking it out, no matter how crap, is the only way you can step up to bigger and greater things. I speak from my own experience and many of those around me..... you can't just sit around on your ass all day whinging that the jobs out there are no good and underpaid and expect to live on your benefits all your life. These people should be made to work voluntarily if that is the case.
No, they aren't, they deserve to be paid the value of the product of the skills.
The idea of a 'living wage' ignores that employment is not a zero sum game, it has to be paid for, as well as ignoring the issue of supply and demand dictating the value of something.
Ah, the old "commodities are more valuable than life itself" approach?
So someone who can only provide an uneeded skill is to wither and die?
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So you are actually trying to saying it's impossible to get a job?
Also look up the Future Jobs Fund for what the Government has been doing, and see that they do indeed pay minimum wage on their initiatives! I know this because I have gained employment through one of these.
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Cameron just had a go at some members here 
That's ridiculous. We have a duty, as reasonable human beings, to ensure that those who are willing to work are remunerated in a proper, deserving manner. I'm not suggesting that everyone should be on 25k a year (though that would be nice), I'm stating that we, as compassionate and reasonable people, should ensure that everyone is able to support themselves through the work that they do. To suggest otherwise is absurd.
Life is far more important than skills and 'things'.
ey?
you realise they're all talking about the plans to have people on benefits do 30 hours community service.
so it's either
a)current situation =they get the money for free
b)the proposed solution =they get the same money but they have to do some work for it as an incentive to get a proper job. (while also getting experience and the ability to say "i have a reference + a proof that i have good attendance" which will be useful when looking for a job)
there is no
c) they don't get paid but made to work and starve to death.
No because they get reduced council tax, benefits etc to supplement their income...
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So you are actually trying to saying it's impossible to get a job?
No, not at all, i am saying that 'there are no jobs' can not be invalidated with 'here are 40,000'. There are many more factors at work here including a pool of workers that vastly out numbers the pool of available jobs, because of successive governments that have failed to account for unsustainable population growth.
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