Again, out of context. What if they can only provide an unwanted skill? Or the skill they provide puts them below the threshold of "can live on that"?
Crime will go up.
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Again, out of context. What if they can only provide an unwanted skill? Or the skill they provide puts them below the threshold of "can live on that"?
Crime will go up.
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That guy whos son got killed in Birmingham is a complete legend and model of how to behave in Society, that situation could have gone compleatly the other way.
But if there isn't enough money to cover it, it means fewer people to do the work, and those who are there get an increased workload. There isn't enough money going around to afford every person in the country who is able to work, with a role and minimum wage.
oh you want context?
right then so you'll know that dolphs view will be in the context of either
a) the proposed community service for benefits (which was being discussed)
or
B) dolphs favoured negative income tax system
either way the most base needs are provided for there is no work or starve view if you read his post with the relevant context or you know common sense.
but still on your post, if they are incapable of providing even the most base skill or labour in a non min wage system then i don;t think there is any risk you could commit a crime.
Agreed, this man shines out for me in this while sorry affair, he speaks from the heart and with conviction care for others even though he has every right to be as angry as hell.
I'm not sure I'd be as controlled and civil.
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This. Hats off to that man, commendable.
The first point of call should always be to retrain. If someone is incapable of providing anything to society, then they would be disabled and should be looked after, however, that number is small.
Perhaps not, but that isn't justification for the scrapping of a minimum wage or suggesting that some people aren't deserving of being paid a living wage. I'm not suggesting some sort of quasi-socialist regime where we give everyone a job and pay them a set rate, that isn't me (or my political beliefs). I'm a big fan of capitalism, the economic benefits that this gives will hopefully create more jobs as people are given incentives to perform better.
Your issues highlight the need for greater job creation and to give support to those that are trying to create jobs and bring growth to Britain - not the idea that we should shy away from paying a living wage.
An interesting debate this, but unfortunately I have to go and get ready for work. I'm getting an 18p payrise soon! Yay!
Plenty of risk they could and would commit crime.
We've evolved out of that system, the same system that was in use for several millennia, and living conditions were utterly disgusting for the mass majority of the population.
Dog eat dog does not work for society, it works against it.
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And whilst retraining? Live on nothing?
Did he say that?
Just seen him now on Sky News and agree.
They were hinting on Sky News there he did a lot to calm the rest of community down and that there was the possibility the asian/muslim community may have sought out revenge attacks and that it could all flare up in Birmingham.
Does anyone know where the drivers of the car black or white? If I remember wasn't it in Birmingham where race riots flared up a few years ago between blacks and asians because a black radio station falsely reported that an asian shopkeeper was a sex offender or something?
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Job creation needs money though.
Which do you feel is better:
1000 jobs earning £14k each
or
1166 jobs earning £12k each
Keep in mind that the tax the government receives from the former is greater than from the latter, so on the whole, all those people earning less are getting more of the money they earn.
I heard the car was black. Tyres too, apparently.
Dolph, you usually make a lot of sense, but I think you oversimplify on this one.
As a society we should be supporting those that cannot, especially as there is way too much wealth in "the ruling classes".
Wealth distribution in the world is way to unfair based on a few hereditary issues. No persons life is worth more than another (at birth) but where you are born can make a huge difference to wealth, opportunity, attitudes etc etc.
Longer term I believe everyone should be "paid" evenly (in food, housing and goods) no matter whether they show the skills of a sportsman, a doctor, a politician or a street sweeper, an entertainer, a teacher or a carer of the infirm. Everyone has a valid role to play in society and once we reach this point there will be no more stealing as everyone will have the same and nobody will be able to sell it.
Sure it's cloud cuckoo right now, but once the world economy crashes, someone is gonna have to take a look back and say how can we get it right next time. We can learn a lot from how Bee and Ant colonies work together as a whole and don't spend their lives trying to compete with or **** each other over.
Gene Rodenberry saw this many years ago.
Yes, it needs money but likewise it also needs a workforce. You won't get a workforce if you're paying them £3p/h as some people seem to be suggesting.
I disagree with this strongly, and it's a very dangerous route to go.
Utterly disagree. You are talking about communism / socialism and that doctrine has proven itself a failure.
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