Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

RoboCod · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:18

Dr Who said:
People like myself?

What exactly is a person like myself?

Someone who sits on the internet bleating about our big bad empire.... I thought that was obvious?

Dr Who · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:19

Captain Planet said:
What, you think those under developed nations actually had the ability and technology to extract those resources? We developed Irans oil fields from scratch!

Yeah we were so generous, we gave Iran 16% of the profits from it as well..

No wonder it got nationalised by Iran, we couldn't even be equitable.

By developed you mean we took sole rights to drill? the oil didn't need to develop it was there, we knew it, all we had to do was drill it and that was no-risk.

As for the other nations, the natives were already extracting massive quantities of gold and gemstones well before we arrived, go read some history.

Dr Who · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:20

Captain Planet said:
Someone who sits on the internet bleating about our big bad empire.... I thought that was obvious?

Ah different from someone who sits on the internet deluded about our history then :rolleyes:

And I don't bleat about it, I don't hide from it or pretend it didn't happen.

RoboCod · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:23

Dr Who said:
Ah different from someone who sits on the internet deluded about our history then And I don't bleat about it, I don't hide from it or pretend it didn't happen.

Sure

Well if you want to discuss this further maybe you should make a new appropriate thread for it.

Dr Who · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:26

Captain Planet said:
Sure

Well if you want to discuss this further maybe you should make a new appropriate thread for it.

I dont, I was answering Dolph before you piped up.

the shadow · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:29

sky say Wandsworth Council have moved to evict a council housing tenant who was involved in rioting at Clapham Junction.

Things change I've changed · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:30

Logsi said:
Surely you'd wince at getting nearly half your wages as tax if you were a high earner?

I'd like to say I wouldn't mind as long I was living a 'comfortable' life but in all honestly I couldn't say until I was in that position, tbh I'd probably be a bit peeved but then to be in that position my attitude towards money would have changed/evolved from what it is now.

Vonhelmet · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:30

Mr Jack said:
The idea is to drive down the higher wages by aggressively taxing them.

Why is it a bad thing for people to be paid a lot? People are paid what the market will bear and what people deem their contribution to be worth.

RoboCod · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:31

Dr Who said:
I dont, I was answering Dolph before you piped up.

OPEN forum *thumbs up*...if you want to chat Dolph up in private there is a trust button at the bottom of his post.

Dolph · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:34

Veering widely back to the topic at hand, looks like all those people attacking the Met for lying need to retract...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/12/uk-riots-day-six-aftermath#block-39

In response to an inquiry by our correspondent Paul Lewis, the IPCC has sent this statement to the Guardian:

Analysis of media coverage and queries raised on Twitter have alerted to us to the possibility that we may have inadvertently given misleading information to journalists when responding to very early media queries following the shooting of Mark Duggan by MPS officers on the evening of 4th August.

The IPCC's first statement, issued at 22:49 on 4th August, makes no reference to shots fired at police and our subsequent statements have set out the sequence of events based on the emerging evidence. However, having reviewed the information the IPCC received and gave out during the very early hours of the unfolding incident, before any documentation had been received, it seems possible that we may have verbally led journalists to believe that shots were exchanged as this was consistent with early information we received that an officer had been shot and taken to hospital.

Any reference to an exchange of shots was not correct and did not feature in any of our formal statements, although an officer was taken to hospital after the incident.

This is significant, as much of the early media coverage referred to an "exchange of shots", with some media outlets clearly implying that police had been shot at first. This issue is one of the key grievances of the Duggan family.

scorza · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:35

Vonhelmet said:
Why is it a bad thing for people to be paid a lot? People are paid what the market will bear and what people deem their contribution to be worth.

Because it causes income inequality and society suffers as a consequence. Leaving things to the free market is a recipe for disaster because markets do not always behave rationally - as recent history has neatly demonstrated.

Dolph · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:36

scorza said:
Because it causes income inequality and society suffers as a consequence. Leaving things to the free market is a recipe for disaster because markets do not always behave rationally - as recent history has neatly demonstrated.

Income inequality is not in itself a bad thing, or if it is, it is only down to jealousy, which isn't an emotion we should allow to dicate to society.

(awaits the inevitable posting of the research abomination that is the Spirit Level)

Logsi · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:38

But these people who contribute a fair amount of tax to society are moving away and being taxed elsewhere. Surely a far few even move to places that tax the same but are a much nicer place to live.

The UK isn't exactly a lovely place to be.

hola_adios · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:38

Vonhelmet said:
Why is it a bad thing for people to be paid a lot? People are paid what the market will bear and what people deem their contribution to be worth.

That is a generalisation with some notorious exceptions, i.e. market speculation

hola_adios · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:39

Dolph said:
Income inequality is not in itself a bad thing, or if it is, it is only down to jealousy, which isn't an emotion we should allow to dicate to society.

(awaits the inevitable posting of the research abomination that is the Spirit Level)

It is when the means to obtain that income are in detriment of the rest of society.

Vonhelmet · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:40

How is income inequality a bad thing? Work harder, earn more, buy more stuff. Achievement unlocked. It's only a bad thing where you have a culture of people expecting - and sometimes getting - something for nothing. Cheap celebrity, greed and a culture of dependence on the state without any responsibility have created that sort of environment.

Dolph · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:40

hola_adios said:
It is when the means to obtain that income are in detriment of the rest of society.

Like languishing on benefits perhaps? Or do we only judge those we are jealous of?

Vonhelmet · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:41

hola_adios said:
That is a generalisation with some notorious exceptions, i.e. market speculation

What do you mean?

StriderX · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:41

Dolph said:
Income inequality is not in itself a bad thing, or if it is, it is only down to jealousy, which isn't an emotion we should allow to dicate to society.

(awaits the inevitable posting of the research abomination that is the Spirit Level)

True, but unfortunately society is dictated by jealously, simply because capitalism exists (though because certain banks thought it would be fun creating a plutonomy in the US we now all have to suffer for the blunder of "Crony" Capitalism).

Logsi · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:42

Vonhelmet said:
How is income inequality a bad thing? Work harder, earn more, buy more stuff. Achievement unlocked. It's only a bad thing where you have a culture of people expecting - and sometimes getting - something for nothing. Cheap celebrity, greed and a culture of dependence on the state without any responsibility have created that sort of environment.

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