Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

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gettothechopper said:
im actually impressed they seem to rounding up a fair few of the looters pretty darn quickly - if id been part of those shenanigans id be pretty scared right now!
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It's really their only option to ensure things go back to normal once Police numbers on the street are reduced.
 
Anyone see that interview with some of the looters on Sky News earlier, you could see one of them almost dropping himself in it (or should that be 'innit') by saying he raided a place he'd submitted a CV to in Clapham, which the presenter then coaxed out of him as being Comet.... don't know it is 'legal' under DPA or whatever but maybe an avenue of investigation there, see how many people of his age (16) had submitted applications in the past x months, maybe some possible leads there.

Obviously not suggesting that the police should go around raiding hundreds of kids who've applied to work at Clapham comet hoping they strike it lucky, but maybe a starting point for additional research.
 
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HangTime said:
Anyone see that interview with some of the looters on Sky News earlier, you could see one of them almost dropping himself in it (or should that be 'innit') by saying he raided a place he'd submitted a CV to in Clapham, which the presenter then coaxed out of him as being Comet.... don't know it is 'legal' under DPA or whatever but maybe an avenue of investigation there, see how many people of his age (16) had submitted applications in the past x months, maybe some possible leads there.

Obviously not suggesting that the police should go around raiding hundreds of kids who've applied to work at Clapham comet hoping they strike it lucky, but maybe a starting point for additional research.
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How much of what was said is actually true??
 
semi-pro waster said:
Why would you think that punishments should be proportionate to the crime? That be crazy talk, you're not one of them damn lefties are you?

Not incidentally but has it been proven that harsher punishments or more unpleasant conditions of incarceration actually do anything to reduce recidivism? Generally there's a lot of "stands to reason that it works dunnit" but little in the way of evidence to support the claim.
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Punishments should be proportionate to the crime, but what you dont understand is that your opinion about what is proportionate is your opinion, it is not fact.

You cannot prove most of these things because you would never be able to get the information, and the only real way of getting proper statistics would be a time machine and keep going back and changing laws.

However i believe it can be explained with simple maths.. I.e. more prison time = less time in public, less time in public = less crimes committed.

and reducing recidivism does not give you any ground to win statistically wise, if people are spending more time in prison they will on average commit less crimes. So while you just a pretty happy with Recidivism as a word limited in definition unable to fully encompass the actual important statistics. I'd rather expand the question to how many crimes are being committed in total and is that number being reduced.

Edit, what i mean by recidivism is that is someone after being released commits one crime, that's the same as one hundred. So really, why should you care about rehabilitation to reduce recidivism??

I am of the mind that people cannot be forced into rehabilitation, so i really think it should not be attempted at all.. Let them go to prison for 15 years, and when they get caught again up it to 30 years, they should be pretty old when they get out, and im not too worried about OAP's running around in riots.
 
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HangTime said:
Anyone see that interview with some of the looters on Sky News earlier, you could see one of them almost dropping himself in it (or should that be 'innit') by saying he raided a place he'd submitted a CV to in Clapham, which the presenter then coaxed out of him as being Comet.... don't know it is 'legal' under DPA or whatever but maybe an avenue of investigation there, see how many people of his age (16) had submitted applications in the past x months, maybe some possible leads there.

Obviously not suggesting that the police should go around raiding hundreds of kids who've applied to work at Clapham comet hoping they strike it lucky, but maybe a starting point for additional research.
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Yeah I made a post about that earlier, but don't think anyone else caught it at the time.

Considering how far they went to conceal their identities, it was pretty stupid that he went as far as revealing which store he looted and that he had applied for a job there with a CV.

I notice they've been taking prints in a lot of the shops. So perhaps if they still have CVs, they could try a match against them. Still, it's a lot of work for burglary cases when there are enough cases as it is.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14509902

Council eviction notice for Clapham Junction riot accused's family In Clapham Junction one store was set alight while others were looted and vandalised A London council is trying to evict a tenant whose son has appeared in court charged in connection with rioting and looting at Clapham Junction.

Wandsworth Council is serving the tenant with an eviction notice - the first stage in the eviction process.
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Not sure if it's been posted yet, but will be interesting to see how this goes.
 
bramski said:
It will be interesting. I don't really see how evicting a whole family because of one persons actions is justice though.
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If the person in question is a child or teenager then there's no argument about it. The parents in that circumstance are equally as responsible.

I'd say that I just hope there are many more evictions of this ilk across the country but, realistically, what is it going to do beyond media-led placation of the masses? They'll just be moved to other Council accomodation in potentially rougher areas to continue acting as they always have.
 
magick said:
The whites have become black according to Historian David Starkey

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14513517?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Have we found Robbo? :p

Whatever, he's a sick waste of space. "I swear Starkey goes into every single media interview, asking himself, 'how much lower can I stoop, and how further antagonistic can I get, who can I offend next'. I'm not even going to bother calling this man a racist, because its quite apparent, he sees this term as a badge of honour."
 
magick said:
The whites have become black according to Historian David Starkey

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14513517?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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+1 David Starkey even though he's been hung out to dry by the BBC (what a surprise) as they have surrounded him with the rabid lefties.
It's got to the stage where I won't watch a BBC topical discussion any more because I've had enough of the Beebs left wing agenda.
I never ever thought I'd see the day where I'd turn off the BBC, I was always proud of the BBC but I'm unashamed to say I watch Sky news now. :(
 
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Speech wise yes.
Things like 'Alright blood'.
Bruv, feds etc etc.
I can understand what Starkey was talking about.
They had a girl on Sky News the other night who was some kind of youth spokeswoman.
She was a white girl but the way she talked you would have thought that she was black.
Like he said, if I heard the voice on the radio I would have said defo black girl even though he was referring to Lammy on radio being vice versa.
 
No one is being racist so please stop trying to force us to pretend we agree with you when we patently don't as a lot of people don't.
Is this the "agree with my point of view or I call you a racist" riff?
 
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