Everyone’s move to Australia

Bloody Poms :p

(all they talk about is the weather, even in Australia lol)

LOL, that is true. When I came to the UK I was amused to discover that the "weather talk" stereotype is entirely accurate. And when I meet Poms in Australia, I find they're still talking about the weather - even if they've lived here for years! :p
 
I want to move there but family got a slight hold over me, but your only a day away on the plane, plus most of us have Skype. Within the next 5 years i will know for sure.

I'm on there 'wanted' list, being an Engineer within oil industry. Im just limited as to where i could go. Most of the work is in the NW (current me if I'm wrong). We went for 4 weeks in 2008 for christmas and went to Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, and Cairns. It was great.
 
migration happens in both directions, my father moved to australia years ago to set up his winery out there. he is happy but then hes like 60, i personally dislike the country a lot... as i have said before it still feels to me very 3rd world with just a 1st world make over. the infrastructure of Australia is pretty shocking really.

and on the flip side a lot of my australian friends are hear to stay or planning on moving over here
never underestimate the power of being close to pretty much every country in the world.
 
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LOL, that is true. When I came to the UK I was amused to discover that the "weather talk" stereotype is entirely accurate. And when I meet Poms in Australia, I find they're still talking about the weather - even if they've lived here for years! :p
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from 1:25 onwards :p
 
I wonder how many of these stories of XYZ moving over there and loving it are actually struggling but not willing to let people know that they made a bad choice. :p

For the people mentioning the weather etc, surely if you're working full-time you won't be able to experience a great deal of the weather anyway? How many holidays does the average employee accrue down-under?

I'd consider moving anywhere really to be honest, would be hard without friends and family though but I doubt I'd move permanently, maybe for a few years.
 
Cost of living is higher but so are wages. A friend is doing pure temp work on a work holiday visa. She is just an admin/PA at a company and she is on $60000+ - that's £38k for a job with no skills.

She must be at a mine or something. Has to be!

Im on 36k before tax a year :(
 
Have been toying with the Idea of Emmigrating there for many years (and recently went to a number of emmigration specialists to discuss stuff)

I've also family there/friends there and have been for an extended holiday to sydney, Queensland. I've also been an avid reader fo the many Aus forums for many years.

Some things to throw into the positive mix when thinking of going (and these don't necessarily put me off - but definately have put others off and made them come back from what I can see)



1.) The TV is generally poor compared to the UK. And yes, you will have to watch it at some point no matter how much people tell you that you never stay in (although you can get Premiership matches and Coronation street should you be that sad)
2.) As was said - Cars are expensive (but hold there resale / 2nd hand value)
3.) Cost of living is VERY expensive. Grocery shopping is extortionate, as are household Items and Mobile phones - as most things are imported.
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4.) Energy prices are rising fast - as is the cost of things like Insurance.
5.) The jobs market in Aus is getting pretty dire (apart from Mining jobs)
6.) The tourist industry is quieting down a bit - which is affecting the economy in specific places.
7.) If you are moving to Queensland/Perth or other potentially remote places - expect to have a bit of a culture shock - and expect the jobs market to be even tougher.
8.) Waiting lists for medical problems is ridiculous in places. You also need medical insurance for dental work and ambulance bills.
9.) Spiders / snakes stories are designed to scare away Poms ;) You rarely see any and it is seriously overhyped. Stuff in the water however can be a real danger.
10.) Again, grocery shopping is a pain - as there is limited selection in most towns / suberbs - and the stuff on offer is no where near as good quality as the UK.
11.) Town planners build every estate virtually identical - which can be boring to look at and very tedious to live in after a few years.
12.) Yes - Australia does actually have cold & wet weather for a lot of the year in a lot of the states - It isn't 24x7 sun all year...... This year has been a very wet winter in a lot of states and a lot of Poms that went over have been very depressed with the weather.
13.) Run down areas of towns / Cities are severly run down - and drugs seem to be a bigger problem in those areas than they are in comparable areas int he UK. Just my take though.
14.) It's difficult to get any sort of finacial help for the first few years after emmigrating should you need it. You are also taxed in Australia on any money / savings you have stored in the UK. So if you sell your house in the UK / rent your house out in the UK and keep the money there - you still pay Aus Tax on it.
15.) Most banks charge for current accounts / ATMs are charged. Most places don't give a credit card until you are employment.
16.) As was said - don't expect effeciency or professionalism in most business that is important to you. People are very-laid back most of the time - they get the job done properly - they just do it in a different way/time-frame to the UK businesses.
17.) Household bills will be massive to what most Poms are used too. Factor in big Household Insurance bills, BIG medical Insurance bills and things like Pool Maintenance. Even if you are getting $100,000 a year - if you have a family, you may very well have less money for 'fun' every month than you had in the UK.
18.) Houses are cheap for what you get - but are generally not as well made or Insulated. Getting use to the design of Australian houses (usually open plan) can also be a pain for some people.

And this from a few days ago....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14486128

Hope those don't put anyone off though :p
 
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Have been toying with the Idea of Emmigrating there for many years (and recently went to a number of emmigration specialists to discuss stuff)

I've also family there/friends there and have been for an extended holiday to sydney, Queensland. I've also been an avid reader fo the many Aus forums for many years.

Some things to throw into the positive mix when thinking of going (and these don't necessarily put me off - but definately have put others off and made them come back from what I can see)



1.) The TV is generally poor compared to the UK. And yes, you will have to watch it at some point no matter how much people tell you that you never stay in (although you can get Premiership matches and Coronation street should you be that sad)
2.) As was said - Cars are expensive (but hold there resale / 2nd hand value)
3.) Cost of living is VERY expensive. Grocery shopping is extortionate, as are household Items and Mobile phones - as most things are imported.
4.) Energy prices are rising fast - as is the cost of things like Insurance.
5.) The jobs market in Aus is getting pretty dire (apart from Mining jobs)
6.) The tourist industry is quieting down a bit - which is affecting the economy in specific places.
7.) If you are moving to Queensland/Perth or other potentially remote places - expect to have a bit of a culture shock - and expect the jobs market to be even tougher.
8.) Waiting lists for medical problems is ridiculous in places. You also need medical insurance for dental work and ambulance bills.
9.) Spiders / snakes stories are designed to scare away Poms ;) You rarely see any and it is seriously overhyped. Stuff in the water however can be a real danger.
10.) Again, grocery shopping is a pain - as there is limited selection in most towns / suberbs - and the stuff on offer is no where near as good quality as the UK.
11.) Town planners build every estate virtually identical - which can be boring to look at and very tedious to live in after a few years.
12.) Yes - Australia does actually have cold & wet weather for a lot of the year in a lot of the states - It isn't 24x7 sun all year...... This year has been a very wet winter in a lot of states and a lot of Poms that went over have been very depressed with the weather.
13.) Run down areas of towns / Cities are severly run down - and drugs seem to be a bigger problem in those areas than they are in comparable areas int he UK. Just my take though.
14.) It's difficult to get any sort of finacial help for the first few years after emmigrating should you need it. You are also taxed in Australia on any money / savings you have stored in the UK. So if you sell your house in the UK / rent your house out in the UK and keep the money there - you still pay Aus Tax on it.
15.) Most banks charge for current accounts / ATMs are charged. Most places don't give a credit card until you are employment.
16.) As was said - don't expect effeciency or professionalism in most business that is important to you. People are very-laid back most of the time - they get the job done properly - they just do it in a different way/time-frame to the UK businesses.
17.) Household bills will be massive to what most Poms are used too. Factor in big Household Insurance bills, BIG medical Insurance bills and things like Pool Maintenance. Even if you are getting $100,000 a year - if you have a family, you may very well have less money for 'fun' every month than you had in the UK.
18.) Houses are cheap for what you get - but are generally not as well made or Insulated. Getting use to the design of Australian houses (usually open plan) can also be a pain for some people.

And this from a few days ago....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14486128

Hope those don't put anyone off though :p

That's a pretty jaundiced and not entirely accurate view. Have you ever been to Australia for any length of time?

Also, what is an emigration specialist and how much do they charge?
 
[FnG]magnolia;19820249 said:
That's a pretty jaundiced and not entirely accurate view. Have you ever been to Australia for any length of time?

Also, what is an emigration specialist and how much do they charge?

Did you read my post ?

Quote "I've also family there/friends there and have been for an extended holiday to sydney, Queensland"

An emigration specialists deals with getting you a Visa (usually a bit quicker) - should you be too lazy to sort the stuff yourself - or have special needs/requirements.

And yes - it may be jaundiced and not entirely accurate (quite simplistic in fact) - but I'm trying to detract people from this impression that moving to Aus will solve all their problems and allow them to experience this non-existant Utopia that the British TV has recently been portraying in a very simplistic way. It's some of the reasons 1 in 4 come back to the UK.
As I said - it's what I have gathered from almost 10 years of reading Aus Emigration forums and experiencing the place myself..... which is more than most people do before they go.
 
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I'm going to ignore the more obvious hyperbole and just hit the high points:

Have been toying with the Idea of Emmigrating there for many years (and recently went to a number of emmigration specialists to discuss stuff)

I've also family there/friends there and have been for an extended holiday to sydney, Queensland.

Sydney's in New South Wales, not Queensland. I'm not sure how you managed to spend an extended holiday there without noticing you weren't in Queensland. :confused:

5.) The jobs market in Aus is getting pretty dire (apart from Mining jobs)

Unemployment is currently at 5.1%. I wouldn't call that "dire." Shall we check the UK?

The unemployment rate for the three months to May 2011 was 7.7 per cent of the economically active population, down 0.1 on the quarter.

(Source).

I'm no economist, but I'm reasonably certain 5.1% unemployment is better than 7.7% unemployment. If you think 5.1% is "dire", how would you describe 7.7%?

8.) Waiting lists for medical problems is ridiculous in places.

Not true. I've lived in three different states over the past 38 years, I have two chronic health conditions which require constant medication, and I've never experienced a ridiculous waiting list for any medical problem.

You also need medical insurance for dental work and ambulance bills.

True.

9.) Spiders / snakes stories are designed to scare away Poms ;) You rarely see any and it is seriously overhyped. Stuff in the water however can be a real danger.

True.

10.) Again, grocery shopping is a pain - as there is limited selection in most towns / suberbs - and the stuff on offer is no where near as good quality as the UK.

Half true. The range of brands is certainly larger in the UK, but Australian supermarkets have far greater variety in meat cuts. With regard to fresh food, my wife is English and even she reckons we get better quality over here.

11.) Town planners build every estate virtually identical - which can be boring to look at and very tedious to live in after a few years.

So, just like the UK then? ;)

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Plenty of Legoland estates in both countries, mate.

Most places don't give a credit card until you are employment.

When I moved to the UK, I couldn't even get a bank account until I was employed - let alone a credit card. I had to get a passbook account with the local building society, and they didn't have internet banking. It was like stepping back into the 1950s.

Factor in big Household Insurance bills

Not true. We're paying no more for household insurance than we did in the UK. Car insurance here is even cheaper than the UK.

BIG medical Insurance bills

Not true. Private medical insurance is cheap, mainly due to the fact that the government provides a 30% rebate off your premiums. As I've said earlier, my wife and I don't even have medical insurance because the public health service is so good. I've never had a big medical bill in my life and I don't know anyone who has.

Houses are cheap for what you get - but are generally not as well made or Insulated.

That depends on what you buy and where you buy it. My house is double brick with solid brick internal walls and R4.5 insulation.
 
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For the people mentioning the weather etc, surely if you're working full-time you won't be able to experience a great deal of the weather anyway?

I think the point people are making is that when you have an opportunity to enjoy the weather, you can virtually guarantee it will actually be enjoyable.

A wet weekend on a British beach probably isn't as much fun as a sunny weekend on an Australian beach. Just sayin'.

How many holidays does the average employee accrue down-under?

You start with 20 days (4 weeks) plus 11 public holidays. This goes up over time (1 extra week per 5 years, or something like that).

Shift workers get 25 days (5 weeks) plus 11 public holidays. While on holiday, you receive leave loading (17.5% of your base rate, paid on top of your normal weekly earnings).

You are also eligible for long service leave.
 
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Well I have saved £5k and selling my car in Sept, phoning New zealand immigration about a skilled migrant worker visa, if that doesn't come off I'm cashing in my "working holiday" visa...

Going to New Zealand in March for a 2-3 weeks to scope it out and stay with friends, there appears to be loads of jobs over there in my field too! As there should be as my degree is on the long term shortage list.

Maybe I won't like it to live in and decide the UK is ok, my mate and his wife love it though!
 
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Well I have saved £5k and selling my car in Sept, phoning New zealand immigration about a skilled migrant worker visa, if that doesn't come off I'm cashing in my "working holiday" visa...

Going to New Zealand in March for a 2-3 weeks to scope it out and stay with friends, there appears to be loads of jobs over there in my field too! As there should be as my degree is on the long term shortage list.

Maybe I won't like it to live in and decide the UK is ok, my mate and his wife love it though!

Are you still going to Palmerston North? Don't base all of NZ on your time there because it's a bit ... unique (I couldn't think of a nicer word that wouldn't get me probated from the forums)
 
[FnG]magnolia;19820798 said:
Are you still going to Palmerston North? Don't base all of NZ on your time there because it's a bit ... unique (I couldn't think of a nicer word that wouldn't get me probated from the forums)


Yeh I know it's a dump. My mate seems to really like it though, we live in Norwich so it can't be that bad, his wife got a job at Massey uni.

I'm probably going to check out Wellington and maybe do a bit of a short tour to Auckland.

I'm worried that I won't get a visa, it seems you need a visa to apply to jobs nut need a job offer to get a visa.

I'm at least going to acquire about the visa, I have worked out I should be in the region of 110-120 points, which allows me to apply.

If not I will go working holiday and get a visa for 23 months, this allows me to work for up to 12 months, armed with this, a new zealand mobile and address I should be able to get an interview and the dazzle them with my amazing skills :p

I'm on a fixed-term contract in UK and likely to get another 12-18 months I'm targetting 15k by October 2012 and then make move over on working holiday visa if I can't get a proper one.

Worst case scenario is I hate it in NZ and move back to my parents in UK, at least then I will have no regrets when I am old as I would have at least tried it.
 
[FnG]magnolia;19820603 said:
Why do you say that? Genuine question, I'm not having a go.

well, maybe not on this forum but i would think that for a lot of brits, it has not quite turned out to be the dream they thought it would have been. bbc used to run a programme which was soley based on this move, most people didn't end up making the move.
 
Sydney's in New South Wales, not Queensland. I'm not sure how you managed to spend an extended holiday there without noticing you weren't in Queensland. :confused:

:p Just to clear it up - I meant Sydney - then Queensland (with a few days around Uluru)

And just a few other points to argue back ;)

My basis for unemployment was my own research (which is comparable to average an average family who is wishing to emigrate)

Firstly - an average person in the UK (with a family) will no doubt have to emigrate to one of the more remote states in Aus - and not necessarily NSW where there is generally plentiful options for jobs and employment.

If you look at the unemployent figures for Queensland as a whole (which was one of our options as a state to emigrate too - as Sydney was well out of the question) - you will see that it has gone from 4.1% in 2008 to 5.7% in 2010 - employment growth is at 0.9%.

For the Gold coast it's 6.2% - North Queensland 11%.

Also in Queensland - and I'm using this state as the basis for my much researched stats (as this is where we have planned to emigrate to for the last 6 years) - the medical waiting times and response is very poor compared to the UK.

You can check some more facts and figures here.

http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/products/tables/index.php

As I say - It's nice to think that many Brits think Aus is the perfect place to live and raise a family - but you have to consider everything. And these days most Brits are limited to emmigrating to either Queensland or West Australia (Perth) unless they have a really decent skill or an employer willing to sort out thier visa. Unfortunately states like Queensland and cities as far flung as Perth can be a real culture shock to most.
 
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