Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

hola_adios · 14 Aug 2011 at 01:01

ColdAsIce said:
We have created a society in which no-one is to blame and you cannot be critical of someones cultural background. Yet it is perfectly acceptable to praise Japanese culture for example, during the nuclear power plant crisis.

I would hate to see one Europe or even worse a one world with no borders. Pretending we are all exactly the same people that share the same values. It isn't in our human nature and it will never happen without brainwashing/genocide of those that don't share the same values.

Quite honestly I like visiting another country and experiancing the culture and the values of that people.

Who is trying to wipe out cultural differences?

ColdAsIce · 14 Aug 2011 at 01:10

It's what I fear could happen if there was ever to be "One Europe"

hola_adios · 14 Aug 2011 at 01:13

ColdAsIce said:
It's what I fear could happen if there was ever to be "One Europe"

I do not understand that fear. Have you travelled much? Even within all the different countries in the planet, you will find different cultures. Why would a potential "One Europe", as you call it, make them disappear?

ColdAsIce · 14 Aug 2011 at 01:24

hola_adios said:
I do not understand that fear. Have you travelled much? Even within all the different countries in the planet, you will find different cultures. Why would a potential "One Europe", as you call it, make them disappear?

With one Goverment and no borders I think potentially you would the lose nationalism that keeps people together.

Von Smallhausen · 14 Aug 2011 at 01:44

Met release interview tape of suspected rioter.

hola_adios · 14 Aug 2011 at 01:55

ColdAsIce said:
With one Goverment and no borders I think potentially you would the lose nationalism that keeps people together.

Just like the Scottish or the Welsh have?

PermaBanned · 14 Aug 2011 at 02:03

Von Smallhausen said:
Met release interview tape of suspected rioter.

Wouldn't surprise me if the Met had just completely given up on being honest or even... legal to be honest

magick · 14 Aug 2011 at 02:14

Levis new advert due to be released this wekk though its been banned because of the riots :-

No better way of rebelling against the system than wearing a pair of £70 jeans made in a third world sweat shop.

PermaBanned · 14 Aug 2011 at 02:18

magick said:
Levis new advert due to be released this wekk though its been banned because of the advert :-

No better way of rebelling against the system than wearing a pair of £70 made in a third world sweat shop.

Aside from your normal, everyday marketing **** i can't see anything wrong with that advert...

Strife212 · 14 Aug 2011 at 02:22

It got cancelled because of that bit at the end where a guy is facing riot police.

PermaBanned · 14 Aug 2011 at 02:24

So just like that standing up for something you believe in is a bad thing? Countless peaceful protests and demonstrations involve riot police at some point, people often make a show about breaking down the barriers between you and them (not literally).

Pestilence · 14 Aug 2011 at 02:25

PermaBanned said:
Prejudice based on previous experience is not prejudice.

If you spoke to someone who had lived in a black ghetto for years and lived through nothing but abuse from black youths, you'd still accuse them of being prejudiced despite the inevitable attitudes (right or wrong) they'd develop from their experience.

Hence, your comment holds no water.

Starkey is quite obviously talking about a gang culture rooted in black society making its way into white society. As you similarly say with regards to prejudice from experience, observation is not racism.

It's a self-defeating argument, though. No-one wins.

Strife212 · 14 Aug 2011 at 02:25

Of course not, I don't think too much has been read into it really, they probably just thought it was best not to show it given what's just happened.

Elixir · 14 Aug 2011 at 02:30

PermaBanned said:
So just like that standing up for something you believe in is a bad thing? Countless peaceful protests and demonstrations involve riot police at some point, people often make a show about breaking down the barriers between you and them (not literally).

It's because he does a "come at me bro" pose.

Pate · 14 Aug 2011 at 04:30

I felt sorry for that Starkey chap. Watching that interview it was bloody unfair the way he was ganged up on and put under such pressure.

Feels like that if you don't toe the line anymore, then you are completely ostracised. Good as making it illegal.

badcompany · 14 Aug 2011 at 06:52

Media in this country is so left wing end terrified of the PC beast that casts it's shadow across our land putting common sense and right land wrong onto the back burner.

Skellig · 14 Aug 2011 at 07:34

Starkey is a racist.

Everybody in the UK is a racist. We all possess a degree of prejudice for or against certain ethnicities of the world. I don't care who you are. You can't help it.

As a British born Chinese male growing up in Hackney before my teenage years, I can tell you there is a lot of racism in some regions in this country. I saw it everyday.

I also see it in myself. I see it in my family. I see it in my friends. I see it in the people I work with now.

So I'm sick and tired of the shock-horror language of people when they exclaim "'Them!?' What do you mean by 'them!?'" There's an overwhelming abhorrence to any racial mindset that we can not help but fall into. It's an instantaneous kick back to an underlying racist attitude in the general populace and people have always been too afraid to openly speak about it in fear of being labelled 'racist'.

Racism is only dangerous if you let it rule you and significantly shape the choices you make.

Now, if we take raw data and analyse that, we will be better off in making decisions regarding root causes. Crime rate, economic indexes and geographical locations, length of time in the country etc. Categorised in Age, Sex, Ethnicities and Income etc.

I can speak about 'my experience' and hearsay about Asian ethnicities having a good and consistent degree of economic success and low criminality in the UK. But that doesn't make it true. I want to see the data. Raw data isn't racist. It has no agenda.

I don't want community leaders, youth workers and historians giving me their opinions. It would be like asking my nan. She's amazing but she's so terribly racist. Show me some data. And yes, that's the data analyst in me talking

gizmoy2k · 14 Aug 2011 at 07:56

Have to laugh at the police throwing the toys out the pram over Cameron's comments

During the riots the police were awful, you only have to go back in this thread to see so many people ask why they were just watching as people looted and burned London. Now some commissioner says his officers did a great job! No I dont think so, 20 cops chasing 100 people down an open street was just pointless

They have slightly redeemed themselves with the arrests since though, I think they have someone in connection with every major event or assault/murder. Time will tell if convictions stick. Most could have been avoided if they had responded properly in the first place

In the mean time police should take criticism on the chin, admit they were useless and do what is asked of them next time

semi-pro waster · 14 Aug 2011 at 08:27

badcompany said:
Media in this country is so left wing end terrified of the PC beast that casts it's shadow across our land putting common sense and right land wrong onto the back burner.

Are you mixing metaphors here? Sorry but it's a sentence that almost works except there's either a couple of extra works "land wrong"(?) or something else that isn't quite right.

In reference to your signature, I'm not sure but I'd guess that the problem was only recently spotted - having a signature that didn't get picked up for XX period of time doesn't mean it was ok, just that it wasn't noticed as wrong during that time for whatever reason.

gizmoy2k said:
Have to laugh at the police throwing the toys out the pram over Cameron's comments

During the riots the police were awful, you only have to go back in this thread to see so many people ask why they were just watching as people looted and burned London. Now some commissioner says his officers did a great job! No I dont think so, 20 cops chasing 100 people down an open street was just pointless

They have slightly redeemed themselves with the arrests since though, I think they have someone in connection with every major event or assault/murder. Time will tell if convictions stick. Most could have been avoided if they had responded properly in the first place

In the mean time police should take criticism on the chin, admit they were useless and do what is asked of them next time

I don't know because I wasn't at the briefings but what if the police did do what was asked of them? Suppose for a second they were told to follow what you see as ineffective tactics - should they then be happy to be criticised for carrying out what they were told well?

hola_adios · 14 Aug 2011 at 09:43

gizmoy2k said:
Have to laugh at the police throwing the toys out the pram over Cameron's comments

During the riots the police were awful, you only have to go back in this thread to see so many people ask why they were just watching as people looted and burned London. Now some commissioner says his officers did a great job! No I dont think so, 20 cops chasing 100 people down an open street was just pointless

They have slightly redeemed themselves with the arrests since though, I think they have someone in connection with every major event or assault/murder. Time will tell if convictions stick. Most could have been avoided if they had responded properly in the first place

In the mean time police should take criticism on the chin, admit they were useless and do what is asked of them next time

I do see little point on trying to blame the police deployed to the areas of the riots. These officers were following orders as to what to do and how to behave. So from the perspective of the commissioner, yes they did a great job, they followed the strategy he and his senior officers outlined.