Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

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badcompany said:
Your bigoted stereotypes aside thank god the eu is on the rocks and we shall finally break free from its beaucratic liberalism soon.
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Nope, too much vested interest in seeing this succeed. Look at the way the Lisbon Treaty was forced and bullied through. It's going nowhere in our life time and thank God for that :)
 
gizmoy2k said:
Have to laugh at the police throwing the toys out the pram over Cameron's comments

During the riots the police were awful, you only have to go back in this thread to see so many people ask why they were just watching as people looted and burned London. Now some commissioner says his officers did a great job! No I dont think so, 20 cops chasing 100 people down an open street was just pointless

They have slightly redeemed themselves with the arrests since though, I think they have someone in connection with every major event or assault/murder. Time will tell if convictions stick. Most could have been avoided if they had responded properly in the first place

In the mean time police should take criticism on the chin, admit they were useless and do what is asked of them next time
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I disagree. I think they did a great job in that they were following orders from above. Not like the movies you know where the police can do what they want. Too much 'big brother' watching them, as we have seen.

I certainly would NOT want to have been in there shoes during the riots. Full respect to them for what they had to go through. Especially as they are facing job cuts and for the money that they earn.
 
David starkey has more of a right to comment on the evolution of our society than most of the other buffoons wheeled out to give their uninformed opinion

starkey on the other hand is actually not an ignorant moron like the others
 
david starkey strikes me as an academic with strong (probably well researched) opinions but the emotional state of a yappy dog who makes bold statements then blusters when people call him on them.

Watching him on that school thing was horrible, felt sorry for him but he did start it.
 
Rockitt5 said:
David starkey has more of a right to comment on the evolution of our society than most of the other buffoons wheeled out to give their uninformed opinion

starkey on the other hand is actually not an ignorant moron like the others
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Your opinion could carry more weight if it wasn't for all of the insults which tend to accompany your posts.

Starkey seems to have lost touch with society, and due to his choice of words he tends to leave the door open to misinterpretation.
 
How the hell can you claim that Starkey has lost touch with society when he has accurately described a major problem in it today and THE problem that led to these riots. But no, it was the 'feds' fault :rolleyes:.

I've listened to him on Question Time and he has been bang on before regarding the rabid liberalism and political correctness in society regarding gay rights etc (and he is actually gay before you shout 'homophobe' or whatever other insult)

He has more authority to comment on the state of British society as a no nonsense respected scholar in BRITISH history rather than a wikipedia leftist with a disturbing obsession with race (despite claiming not to be racist) who cries at the thought of Europe containing white people 200 years ago to the point where they will plainly just lie about history... OMG NO EUROPE HAS ALWAYS BEEN MULTICULTURAL (despite transport constraints meaning this was literally impossible)
 
Rockitt5 said:
How the hell can you claim that Starkey has lost touch with society when he has accurately described a major problem in it today and THE problem that led to these riots. But no, it was the 'feds' fault :rolleyes:.

I've listened to him on Question Time and he has been bang on before regarding the rabid liberalism and political correctness in society regarding gay rights etc (and he is actually gay before you shout 'homophobe' or whatever other insult)

He has more authority to comment on the state of British society as a no nonsense respected scholar in BRITISH history rather than a wikipedia leftist with a disturbing obsession with race (despite claiming not to be racist) who cries at the thought of Europe containing white people 200 years ago to the point where they will plainly just lie about history... OMG NO EUROPE HAS ALWAYS BEEN MULTICULTURAL (despite transport constraints meaning this was literally impossible)
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That is my opinion, yes, and that is how Starkey has come across on some of his latest interviews.

The rest of your post is just nonsensical, not really worth the effort to comment on it, and a poor attempt at trolling.
 
Jokester said:
But he's not speaking about black culture, he's speaking about black gang culture, he makes that slip once about referring to it as black culture and then all reasoned argument goes out the window as the other three won't allow him to correct them and keep going on about black culture.
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The problem (and this is no the first time with Dr Starkey) is his choice of words. If you read what he actually said....

"The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion and black and white boys and girls operate in this language together.

"This language which is wholly false, which is this Jamaican patois that has been intruded in England and that is why so many of us have this sense of literally of a foreign country.

"It's not skin colour, it's cultural. Listen to [Tottenham's Labour MP] David Lammy, an archetypal successful black man. If you turn the screen off so that you are listening to him on radio you would think he was white."
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....he is not entirely wrong, however his attribution that gangster culture is synonymous with Black Culture is.
 
Rockitt5 said:
OMG NO EUROPE HAS ALWAYS BEEN MULTICULTURAL (despite transport constraints meaning this was literally impossible)
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It is a fact that for several thousand years Europe has been largely a multicultural place, throughout Europe there have been communities of people from differing cultures in most European countries and cities since before the fall of the Roman Empire. Much depends on your identification of what decides someone's culture and the mistaken idea that it is predicated by someone's skin colour.

The contemporary issue is to do with mass immigration outpacing the ability of countries to assimilate and/or integrate these immigrant populations. This is a political and not necessarily a cultural problem.
 
Strife212 said:
I agree, it's absurd. He wasn't even slagging them off, he was saying that they treated it more like disorder than crime; which they blatantly did.
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Considering Cameron and May are using this as to bolster their political careers but telling the public that they fixed the problem when that's simply not true, I can understand why the Police are quick to correct them.

If, indeed, Cameron and May HAD "fixed" the riot problem then fair enough but to take credit for something that you didn't do is a bit iffy to begin with but when you taking the credit to try and win voters then it's even worse.
 
The Politicians were correct to call out the Police tactics for being useless at the beginning of the riots. The only problem is they didn't make it clear that the criticism was aimed at those at top, not the Police on the ground doing an incredibly tough job, working insane hours in full riot gear.
 
Listen to [Tottenham's Labour MP]David Lammy, an archetypal successful black man. If you turn the screen off so that you are listening to him on radio you would think he was white."
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You can say the same about almost anyone though, if I hear somebody on the radio and they don't have a strong 'foreign' accent then I tend to visualise them as white (if I even visualise them at all) simply because the majority of British people are too and when visualising you have to give them a colour. Same as I'd probably put them as being 5'11 tall or something.
 
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