Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

SoapSurgeon · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:13

Rockitt5 said:
If you go to Beijing or Tokyo what people do you expect to see? Chinese and Japanese people. If you get there and they are in the minority I think you will be more than a little shocked.

I couldn't say. I have never been. I have been to lots of major cities including:

Paris, Berlin, Athens, Munich, Melbourne, Sydney

All are multicultural. However, I wasn't specifically looking for the colour of people's skin while there. I think it is fair to say that if you travel to a tourist hotspot such as the cities above you will find a large number of tourists - so I always expect to find people from many different countries in the places I visit. I imagine Beijing or Tokyo would be no different.

If you travel somewhere off the tourist radar, such as a smaller Greek island, you find less tourists. I think the same could be said if a coach load of Japanese tourists travelled to Chipping Norton, for instance.

dirtydog · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:14

Firestar_3x said:
whilst posting on his other forum how everyone else on OCUK is a total bunch of (four letter word starts in C ends in T).

I've never done that but feel free to post a link to me saying everyone here is that, which would have to include me as I am here too and one of the most active posters?

SoapSurgeon · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:17

dirtydog said:
Multiculturalism is divisive, monocultural societies are the most harmonious and successful.

How are you quantifying the success of these societies?

hola_adios · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:17

dirtydog said:
Multiculturalism is divisive, monocultural societies are the most harmonious and successful.

Evidence? Because, intellectual isolation tends to end up into creative stagnation. Following your reasoning, I wonder how is it that the tribes in the Amazonia, New Zealand and Madagascar showed some of the cruelest rituals.

Castiel · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:18

dirtydog said:
Multiculturalism is divisive, monocultural societies are the most harmonious and successful.

Mass Immigration into a society ill prepared both socially and financially is divisive. Cultural diversity is not innately divisive.

There are few true mono-cultures in the world and none are harmonious and successful.

Vonhelmet · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:18

dirtydog said:
I've never done that but feel free to post a link to me saying everyone here is that, which would have to include me as I am here too and one of the most active posters?

Worst I've seen was that ********* place which seemed to - ironically or not - hold you up on high as some masterful righter of liberal wrongs on this forum. It was most bizarre.

Firestar_3x · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:19

dirtydog said:
I've never done that but feel free to post a link to me saying everyone here is that, which would have to include me as I am here too and one of the most active posters?

Who is Firestar 3x, is he in the air force or something? Apparently my views scare him.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...5#post18709315

Still arguing with that **** right now WHY DO I BOTHER, LORD?

You seem to be ENOCH POWELL from ******************

I could post more and direct link but the amount of swearing going on about OCUK is outrageous, if i could be bothered i would look at some of your views about other posters but i cba.

dirtydog · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:19

hola_adios said:
Evidence? Because, intellectual isolation tends to end up into creative stagnation. Following your reasoning, I wonder how is it that the tribes in the Amazonia, New Zealand and Madagascar showed some of the cruelest rituals.

Non sequitur, I didn't say all monocultural societies are successful or Africa wouldn't be the craphouse that it is and always will be. Or Afghanistan.

But those societies which have historically been the most harmonious and successful are the white countries of Europe and the white colonies, and also Japan and China. Wasn't much rioting in Japan or looting during the 'quake was there, because they are a civilised people - if they had loads of black and Asian 'communities' there do you think it would be the same story?!

dirtydog · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:20

Vonhelmet said:
Worst I've seen was that other place which seemed to - ironically or not - hold you up on high as some masterful righter of liberal wrongs on this forum. It was most bizarre.

Yeah and some people have criticised OcUK and its member base but not me. I might criticise the odd individual member but that's because of what they have said, not because of who they are or where they post - there's a big difference.

dirtydog · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:20

Firestar_3x said:
You seem to be ENOCH POWELL from [probably shouldn't post this URL]

I could post more and direct link but the amount of swearing going on about OCUK is outrageous, if i could be bothered i would look at some of your views about other posters but i cba.

See my above post

Castiel · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:22

dirtydog said:
Wow people are still defending mass immigration and multiculturalism even though it has been shown without doubt to be an abject failure.

Multiculturalism and Mass Immigration are NOT the same thing. While I see nothing innately wrong with cultural diversity, I can see some fundamental issues with mass immigration especially when it is as poorly managed and localised as engineered under previous successive governments.

hola_adios · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:36

dirtydog said:
Non sequitur, I didn't say all monocultural societies are successful or Africa wouldn't be the craphouse that it is and always will be. Or Afghanistan.

But those societies which have historically been the most harmonious and successful are the white countries of Europe and the white colonies, and also Japan and China. Wasn't much rioting in Japan or looting during the 'quake was there, because they are a civilised people - if they had loads of black and Asian 'communities' there do you think it would be the same story?!

Multiculturalism is divisive, monocultural societies are the most harmonious and successful.

You just said so ...

And Europe harmonious? What are you talking about? We have just managed not to kill each other for the last few years (Yugoslavia remember?). And this is just because our society has matured and do not listen to opinions of the likes of yourself.

Castiel · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:37

dirtydog said:
Non sequitur, I didn't say all monocultural societies are successful or Africa wouldn't be the craphouse that it is and always will be. Or Afghanistan.

But those societies which have historically been the most harmonious and successful are the white countries of Europe and the white colonies, and also Japan and China. Wasn't much rioting in Japan or looting during the 'quake was there, because they are a civilised people - if they had loads of black and Asian 'communities' there do you think it would be the same story?!

China, Europe, and the 'colonies' were all ethnically and culturally diverse. You seem to under the mistaken impression that someone's skin colour is the decisive factor in their ethnicity and culture.

Japan when it was insular was hardly a harmonious place, made up of 'warring states' Japan was until Western influence and Japanese exposure to external cultures, a divisive and clan driven wars and power struggles were a way of life.

Japanese culture is a mixture of Native, Imported Buddhist, Western (especially American) and Asian influences, which if you have visited Japan you would know.

I would also point out that Japan has always had a large Asian majority.....as they are actually Asian.

dirtydog · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:38

hola_adios said:
You just said so ...

And Europe harmonious? What are you talking about? We have just managed not to kill each other for the last few years (Yugoslavia remember?). And this is just because our society has matured and do not listen to opinions of the likes of yourself.

Multiculturalism is divisive, monocultural societies are the most harmonious and successful.

Not all monocultural societies are harmonious and successful.

Think about it, those two sentences are not contradictory even though you have wrongly inferred that they are

Dj_Jestar · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:41

dirtydog said:
Multiculturalism is divisive, monocultural societies are the most harmonious and successful.

I'd dispute that tbh, taking your earlier comment that white European nations/cultures were the prime examples. Having the significant majority of the population impoverished (sometimes as high as 90%) does not make for a harmonious and successful culture. Speaking of the British, Spanish, Portuguese, Franco-Russian, Austro-Hungarian etc. empires. All had massive amounts of poverty.

Castiel · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:44

dirtydog said:
Multiculturalism is divisive, monocultural societies are the most harmonious and successful.

Not all monocultural societies are harmonious and successful.

Think about it, those two sentences are not contradictory even though you have wrongly inferred that they are

The most successful society, that of Europe, has throughout its most successful periods and most of it's history been divisive, multicultural and internally at odds with itself.

hola_adios · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:46

dirtydog said:
Multiculturalism is divisive, monocultural societies are the most harmonious and successful.

Not all monocultural societies are harmonious and successful.

Think about it, those two sentences are not contradictory even though you have wrongly inferred that they are

Yes, yes, now name one successful and harmonious monocultural society please.

dirtydog · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:47

Dj_Jestar said:
I'd dispute that tbh, taking your earlier comment that white European nations/cultures were the prime examples. Having the significant majority of the population impoverished (sometimes as high as 90%) does not make for a harmonious and successful culture. Speaking of the British, Spanish, Portuguese, Franco-Russian, Austro-Hungarian etc. empires. All had massive amounts of poverty.

Yes and of course the white countries went to war with each other many times despite sharing broadly the same culture and race. I don't say this guarantees harmony, merely that it is a pre-requisite FOR harmony. I'm probably not explaining myself very well. Without it, you don't necessarily get trouble, you can have an 'uneasy truce' like in Britain where different peoples live side by side in their own self-segregated areas, but trouble is always simmering just under the surface and the other week with the riots it boiled over, and unfortunately will do again and again.

dirtydog · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:49

hola_adios said:
Yes, yes, now name one successful and harmonious monocultural society please.

I did, the white countries and colonies in the past, and Japan and China today. (This doubtless is not an exhaustive list either.)

hola_adios · 15 Aug 2011 at 12:50

dirtydog said:
Yes and of course the white countries went to war with each other many times despite sharing broadly the same culture and race. I don't say this guarantees harmony, merely that it is a pre-requisite FOR harmony. I'm probably not explaining myself very well. Without it, you don't necessarily get trouble, you can have an 'uneasy truce' like in Britain where different peoples live side by side in their own self-segregated areas, but trouble is always simmering just under the surface and the other week with the riots it boiled over, and unfortunately will do again and again.

"pre-requisite FOR harmony", you just are talking random rubbish.