*Throws toys out of the pram*

That is another thing I really dislike about the apple company, sue for everything, try to block sales of other mobiles/tablets and have succeeded for a couple of things now as well.

It isn't unique to Apple, companies are always suing eachother.

Are they just so scared because of the amount of samsung galaxy mobiles being sold, the amount of android handsets being sold in the world whilst there sales decrease each day?

2007 - 1,389,000 iPhones sold
2008 - 11,625,000 iPhones sold
2009 - 20,731,000 iPhones sold
2010 - 39,989,000 iPhones sold
Q1-Q3 2011 - 55,230,000 iPhones sold

Assuming that rate keeps up they would sell 73.6 million units this year, that's an 84% increase in sales over last year.

Can't keep up any more with the competition that is getting much better every time a new release comes out?

Or are they just that sad and pathetic, that they don't want any competition at all?

Clearly they can keep up, they just have a longer product cycle.
 
Tbh, I don't know if they should bother. Most iPhone users wouldn't know what specs their phones are...

Exactly. As long as the operation of the phone is fast and smooth, the internal specs don't really matter that much.

The one hardware feature people seem to care about more than anything else is the camera.
 
Most people slating the Galaxy S II recently were HTC fanboys, not iPhone owners (they slated both :p:D). The Galaxy S II hardware is certainly better overall but hardware is only half the story for most people, or perhaps even less than half.

They were indeed! Really slating the GS2 and some of those people got the GS 2 instead in the end and love it! haha :p And plus the reasons that they were slating it for was the same reasons as the apple fanboys "too light, cheap looking etc." :p

Well TBPH, the software side is outstanding too, never seen an android mobile so smooth, able play all those media files really well, and hardly (essentially none) any problems, it is the first mobile I have seen were I wouldn't root or flash (apart from the nexus devices) as I have said before it seems pretty much perfect out of the box for everything. The only thing I would do is replace the stock apps with 3rd party though as I like choice and prefer how they look/work.

Tbh, I don't know if they should bother. Most iPhone users wouldn't know what specs their phones are...

Yup exactly. Most of the people I know who own apple products don't have a clue as to what is inside the casing, they just simply don't care.
 
It isn't unique to Apple, companies are always suing eachother.

Yes, every company does it.

But do they do it for stupid reasons like apple?

Why do apple sue nearly every single company that produce something which is competing very well with their products?

And why is it that their cases are always made public like everywhere?

2007 - 1,389,000 iPhones sold
2008 - 11,625,000 iPhones sold
2009 - 20,731,000 iPhones sold
2010 - 39,989,000 iPhones sold
Q1-Q3 2011 - 55,230,000 iPhones sold

Assuming that rate keeps up they would sell 73.6 million units this year, that's an 84% increase in sales over last year.

Where are those stats from?

What about comparing to android sales?

Ok, not decreasing (if from a good source), however with the way that android is growing apple are seriously going to have to do something completely different in the future if they want to keep those sales up. IIRC, did android not take over apple a good bit ago?

How many android handsets are being activated each day compared to iphones?

Clearly they can keep up, they just have a longer product cycle.

Need stats comparing both from a reputable site?

And I meant more just the technical aspect of it, which they most certainly can't (they could if they wanted probably, but they aren't and I can never see them doing that), already a few months after the GS2, sensation etc. there are even better mobiles coming out shortly and then after another few months there will be even more and better devices out.

Rumours that quad core will be here next year.

And also where is the iphone 5? The GS 2 has been out for quite a long time now and still no specs of the iphone 5 yet and not even a release date :eek: iirc.
 
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Yes, every company does it.

But do they do it for stupid reasons like apple?

Probably, I've not really looked into it.

Why do apple sue nearly every single company that produce something which is competing very well with their products?

Because they can, I guess. If they're in the wrong it will just end up costing them legal fees.

And why is it that their cases are always made public?

Because people like you seem to enjoy being outraged at them :p


Where are those stats from?

They're from Apple.

What about comparing to android sales?

What about it? We all know Android outsells iOS and so it should, there are hundreds if not thousands of devices using it from £50 - £500.

How many android handsets are being activated each day compared to iphones?

I dunno, but see above.


And I meant more just the technical aspect of it, which they most certainly can't (they could if they wanted probably, but they aren't and I can never see them doing that), already a few months after the GS2, sensation etc. there are even better mobiles coming out shortly and then after another few months there will be even more and better devices out.

Rumours that quad core will be here next year.

None of this matters to most people. They want something that's easy to use and feels fast, I'm not arguing that the iPhone is technically superior to the SGSII, it isn't.

And also where is the iphone 5? The GS 2 has been out for quite a long time now and still no specs of the iphone 5 yet and not even a release date :eek: iirc.

I dunno, October probably.
 
Because they can, I guess. If they're in the wrong it will just end up costing them legal fees.

Or maybe cause they bribe the people in court with free prodcuts or lots of money! :p

Because people like you seem to enjoy being outraged at them :p

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They're from Apple.

And you honestly believe apple and any company for that matter are going to give out the truthful/real stats especially on their own website? :p

None of this matters to most people. They want something that's easy to use and feels fast, I'm not arguing that the iPhone is technically superior to the SGSII, it isn't.

But as said when more demanding stuff comes into action like games, better 1080P recording/processing etc. that is when you need the extra power then and with the iphone, you only get a new one every year where as with android it is every few months now.

Personally I don't care about this, as I will stick to a mobile for at least a year or more, but many people upgrade when it is a worthy upgrade or there mobile just simply isn't cutting it any more and they have the choice to do so if they want.

I dunno, October probably.

If that is true, then that is when the nexus prime is rumoured to be out and a quite a few others by then as well, which are looking to be pretty worthy over the GS 2 with the 720P screen and all.
 
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And you honestly believe apple and any company for that matter are going to give out the truthful/real stats especially on their own website? :p

Yes, I don't think they're allowed to lie, and they don't have to. Like it or not you know the iPhone is an absolutely massive success.

But as said when more demanding stuff comes into action like games, better 1080P recording/processing etc. that is when you need the extra power then and with the iphone, you only get a new one every year where as with android it is every few months now.

Yet the iPhone 4 still has (and runs smoothly) far better looking games than you'll find on the Galaxy S II. It's irrelevant power to some extent.
 
And you honestly believe apple and any company for that matter are going to give out the truthful/real stats especially on their own website? :p

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IPhone_sales_per_quarter_simple.svg

I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to lie about this kind if thing.

But as said when more demanding stuff comes into action like games, better 1080P recording/processing etc. that is when you need the extra power then and with the iphone, you only get a new one every year where as with android it is every few months now.

I'm sure the iPhone 5 will have plenty of power for 1080p recording.

Out of interest, have you ever played some of the iOS games? I don't think there is a single Android game out there with better graphics than Infinity Blade, which runs on the 'crappy' 800mhz single core CPU in the iPhone 4.

Efficiency > brute force in this case.

Yes it should, but it hasn't until this year... now Apple are worried.

They must be terrified with their record sales and record profits. They have a second largest market cap of any company, more than Intel and MS combined.
 
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Yes, I don't think they're allowed to lie, and they don't have to. Like it or not you know the iPhone is an absolutely massive success.

Companies aren't allowed to lie! BS! :p

Very surprised if that is true as I have seen loads of companies lie about their sales and a lot of other things! when you cross reference their stats with other more reputable sites.

Yet the iPhone 4 still has (and runs smoothly) far better looking games than you'll find on the Galaxy S II. It's irrelevant power to some extent.

What about the ones that the GS 2 can run using the nvidia tegra zone (not official but can still run it)?

Would the iphone 4 run them as beautifully and smoothly as it?

Also yes I do agree the majority of games are far better on the iphone than android, however there are some very good games coming out for android now.
 
I've tried all of the Tegra2 games on the Galaxy S II and while good and smooth (like Galaxy on fire 2), they are no smoother than some of the iPhone 4 games (Infinity Blade, Rage HD) and not as detailed, either.

I'd be very surprised if Apple were making up sales figures, they could be easily verified by various organisations and I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to.
 
Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IPhone_sales_per_quarter_simple.svg

I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to lie about this kind if thing.

See above.

I'm sure the iPhone 5 will have plenty of power for 1080p recording.

Out of interest, have you ever played some of the iOS games? I don't think there is a single Android game out there with better graphics than Infinity Blade, which runs on the 'crappy' 800mhz single core CPU in the iPhone 4.

Efficiency > brute force in this case.

Of course the iphone 5 will be it would be stupid of them not to include 1080P recording, however the specs will either be no better than the GS2 or a tiny bit better or they could surprise us with amazing specs.

But I mean better and quicker processing in the future to get even better quality etc.

Yes, I have, although I am not a big gamer on my mobile, if I want to play games, I use my PC ;)

And the only ones I play on my mobile really are the emulator ones.

I have never seen that infinity blade game until now and I will admit I am impressed that the iphone 4 can run that smoothly :eek:

I also agree with you on that comment, perfect example for terrible ports from consoles to PC like GTA, which ran terribly even on high end hardware, however BF 3 looks amazing and should run fairly well on max settings for high end PCs due to it being coded mainly for the PC unlike the GTA game. However as time goes on and everything keep getting better and better you will need better hardware in order for it to be smooth/quick etc.

Also I never said the iphone 4 was crap, it is a very good mobile and was excellent when it was first released however compared to the GS 2 for hardware it is crap now. And the iphone 5 should have been released not long after the GS 2.
 
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I've tried all of the Tegra2 games on the Galaxy S II and while good and smooth (like Galaxy on fire 2), they are no smoother than some of the iPhone 4 games (Infinity Blade, Rage HD) and not as detailed, either.

I'd be very surprised if Apple were making up sales figures, they could be easily verified by various organisations and I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to.

Oh I also forgot about saying what about streaming to an HD TV (1080i), could the iphone 4 still play them smoothly then? And play the HD media files as well, perfectly smooth?

Can the iphone actually even stream to the TV?


Still, it wouldn't stop apple from doing it anyway :p

If that is the case, then fair enough.
 
It can stream with the adapter, yes. I honestly don't know how well it would work, but I imagine it would handle it without too much trouble. Is that a widely used feature for games though? I doubt it.
 
I know many people might not use it, however if you had the option to play some of those gorgeous games on a 46" plasma TV or whatever, who wouldn't?

Not exactly rocket science connecting the mobile to the TV or loads of wires involved etc. :p

I honestly don't think the iphone 4 would handle that at all.

And that is exactly where the better hardware comes in, tweaking the software will not make it run better at the higher res.

I could be wrong though.
 
I'm sure apple have to answer to inverstors and the board of directors ie to share holders. Their numbers must be correct. If not engadget also have those numbers.
 
They must be terrified with their record sales and record profits. They have a second largest market cap of any company, more than Intel and MS combined.

Based on history, as in the last 6 or 12 months. I'm saying that is changing, not that it has necessarily already changed.

Many companies doing very well fall behind if they don't make the effort to keep up, surely you accept that? I can't help but think they're trying to hold others back rather than push forward themselves.
 
Wow. I really can't believe how much energy and effort you guys put in to talking about telephones here.

Guess you must love your phones but I also get the impression that you don't ever actually speak to anyone on it ?
 
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