*****Official Star Wars: The Old Republic Thread*****

[ColEx]

I know SWTOR has similarities to WoW but the thing thats really got me interested is the fact that each class has a Bioware storyline which plays out like Mass Effect but in an MMO setting. If its done well, and from what I've heard and saw from videos, it seems they're getting it right, then it'll offer tremendous hours of fun leveling gameplay/story on the different classes.

That sounds much more interesting to me in the long term than raiding/PvPing constantly once I've reached cap. That is something I've noticed from all the MMO's I've played, Everquest, SWG and FFXI being my favorites, is that the endgame was never as fun as leveling and progressing with characters. Throwing in the Bioware and Star Wars factor just means I could never pass this up

Hopefully Biowares answers to endgame content (I think theres an entire planet dedicated to PvE endgame) works better than previous MMOs I've played, but even if it is similar, I'm looking forward to leveling the different classes to experience the story more than anything.

The story is the only thing that is driving my interest at the moment as well as it being Star Wars universe etc. I want to see some progression from what WoW did. The story stuff is in the right direction but that's about it, and im not sure if that will hold my attention in the long run as im not the type of person to repeat things over and over for the sake of it.

 

[Sleepery]

Feels like people just jump on any kind of flaw within the game they can find and make it sound worse than it is, it does my head in. The ammount of wow fan boys that would hate to see another game do as well as WoW is stupid.

And it does my head in how you can't say a word against the game without getting labelled a WoW fanboy. Honestly, the huttball comment was fairly reasonable - "what the hell is this, you'd never see something like that in one of the movies"

*cue snarling and ripping sounds as the poster gets torn apart*

 

[Monkeymatt]

It's absolutely ludicrous. I can't understand how any self-respecting fan of star wars could think that Jedi and Sith who are locked in a vicious galactic war would decide to engage in a game of catch (even with explosions and combat.), let alone fight on the same team...

Bioware, what the hell are you doing?

Most PvP arenas are objective/kill based, after a while getting a flag from one end of a map to another or capturing the same stationary objectives gets boring, this allows for so much more fun, it provides something different and should force people to use their brains, a feature that most MMO's lack.

I really don't see why you are complaining so much, it isn't a core part of the game, it is an extended extra that you can either choose to participate in, or not do it. If you don't like it, then avoid Huttball, not that difficult is it?

Tbh I think the only reason you don't like it is because it does seem to require abit of intelligence, which judging from your posts you seem to lack...

 

[Sleepery]

Personal insults too, excellent!

 

[No1newts]

I'm not going to play this game but even as an outsider that Huttball thing seems daft. We are at war!!! (now go huttball instead of capturing that planet)

This isn't really going to offer anything in the way of pvp though which is what put me of wanting to play it so huttball seems to fit into the notsofussedaboutpvp attitude of most modern mmo's.

 

[Xire]

And it does my head in how you can't say a word against the game without getting labelled a WoW fanboy. Honestly, the huttball comment was fairly reasonable - "what the hell is this, you'd never see something like that in one of the movies"

*cue snarling and ripping sounds as the poster gets torn apart*

Mate I admit to a flaw when I see it, the game has many flaws. but thats not what I am getting at. You know for a fact there are so many people that just want to see this game fail for my reason I made earlier. Im not generalising either, I am aware people point flaws out and are not wow fanboys, but i just despise the people that do this purely to find small tiny errors that will make the game look bad.

Im not just saying its this forum(infact this forum can generally be quite good for swtor feedback) I mean all over the place.

 

[Sleepery]

Well on he internetosphere™ in general that's very true, you can't read an article on the game without seeing a wave of vitriol in the comments.

It's not much better in here though, I've given up trying to point where something might, just might, be less than stellar. I've got the game on pre-order and I'm really looking forward to it, I just don't understand the need to personally insult someone who dares to suggest something in SWTOR isn't completely the best thing ever to grace an mmo.

 

[JeffH]

First time posting on this topic and I imagine many others may feel the same but not posting... Most gamers would love for this NOT to fail. Why?... Apparently the average gamer is around 37 and therefore grew up with Star Wars and, bearing in mind our interests, are most likely (original) Star Wars fans. We'd all love to play a game that can immerse us into the Star Wars universe, but this is a very tall task. SWG almost managed it for a while but then they changed the combat and made Jedi far too common. While not the main reason, Jedi being common in that timescale contributed to it's downfall.
Now we have TOR coming along and we're all excited again. Jedi are more common, but that fits with the timescale so all ok. Then we see Videos with Jedi fighting droids with Lightsabers that can't slice them in 2. OK, hard to make that work within MMO boundaries we'll try to ignore it. Now the Huttball thing... The point I'm trying to make is that you can ignore a few things for the sake of immersion, but these are 2 'features' amongst many that are detracting from that immersion and a game like this needs to 'feel' like the Star Wars universe to succeed IMO. If it doesn't it will be 'just be another MMO' which is what it's starting to look like.

 

[jamesy505]

Well I still have had no luck with the Bioware launcher\patcher, so that has definitely put me off any digital download for this game.

Does anyone know who is selling the game cheapest, I can find it for £34.91 for standard copy (with early access pre-order).

Anywhere else selling it cheaper that is reliable?

Thanks

 

[EvilGrin]

Most PvP arenas are objective/kill based, after a while getting a flag from one end of a map to another or capturing the same stationary objectives gets boring, this allows for so much more fun, it provides something different and should force people to use their brains, a feature that most MMO's lack.

I really don't see why you are complaining so much, it isn't a core part of the game, it is an extended extra that you can either choose to participate in, or not do it. If you don't like it, then avoid Huttball, not that difficult is it?

Tbh I think the only reason you don't like it is because it does seem to require abit of intelligence, which judging from your posts you seem to lack...

In a game that is meant to be about the story, and a massive scale war between the Republic and the Sith Empire, the simple fact that huttball exists is immersion breaking.

This was never a discussion about the gameplay, it's the concept the irks me. If you're too big of a fanboy to see anything negative about the game, then that's your own perogative. Myself, I'll take it for what it is; a contrived addition designed purely because that's what they think the MMO (or rather WoW) community want. There are plenty MMO's that've been plenty successful without a capture the flag game, the fact they had to stoop this low to squeeze it in saddens me.

Also, keep your personal insults to yourself. I'm entitled to my own opinion and am expressing it without insulting anyone here, I suppose on a public forum it's a little to much to ask for to expect the same behaviour from everyone else.

 

[EvilGrin]

Mate I admit to a flaw when I see it, the game has many flaws. but thats not what I am getting at. You know for a fact there are so many people that just want to see this game fail for my reason I made earlier. Im not generalising either, I am aware people point flaws out and are not wow fanboys, but i just despise the people that do this purely to find small tiny errors that will make the game look bad.

Im not just saying its this forum(infact this forum can generally be quite good for swtor feedback) I mean all over the place.

Personally, it's quite the opposite for me, as a massive star wars fan I'd like nothing more than to see this game flourish. They've made a lot of decisions that I disagree with and believe are poorly thought out to attempt to capture more of the market, which I find worrying. Taking a look at this, then at GW2, where ArenaNet are really working to innovate and take MMO gameplay in a new direction, it just makes me think that bioware have missed a trick. This in no way, shape or form, means that I want the game to fail.

 

[Dist]

Huttball? Jesus. Whoever thought it was a good idea to have Jedi and Sith have a nice little game of catch together should be shot in the face. I bet that they quite probably have the world's largest collection of Jar Jar Binks dolls too...

Well its not like its a 'nice' game, there is plenty of combat. And neutral planets are not unheard of, in kotor there was a neutral planet where the republic and sith didn't fight eachother, so it wouldn't be out of the question that such a planet could have a combat arena.

 

[Monkeymatt]

In a game that is meant to be about the story, and a massive scale war between the Republic and the Sith Empire, the simple fact that huttball exists is immersion breaking.

This was never a discussion about the gameplay, it's the concept the irks me. If you're too big of a fanboy to see anything negative about the game, then that's your own perogative. Myself, I'll take it for what it is; a contrived addition designed purely because that's what they think the MMO (or rather WoW) community want. There are plenty MMO's that've been plenty successful without a capture the flag game, the fact they had to stoop this low to squeeze it in saddens me.

Also, keep your personal insults to yourself. I'm entitled to my own opinion and am expressing it without insulting anyone here, I suppose on a public forum it's a little to much to ask for to expect the same behaviour from everyone else.

So anybody that disagrees with you is immediately a fanboy? Always good when people look at both sides of the argument I'm not a fanboy, Bioware have made plenty of decisions that I disagree with, but I find it really annoying when people come in here and complain at EVERY SINGLE LITTLE DETAIL of the game.

There are plenty of things which could be described as "immersion breaking" but this is one of the very smallest of them. It isn't a key part of the game, you can simply choose to not participate in Huttball if you feel it is ruining the game for you, it isn't as bigger problem as you are making it out to be.

Look at another feature that can be described as "immersion breaking", lightsabers are the most powerful weapons in the Star wars universe, they can cut through almost anything, yet in Swtor you see people take 10 lightsaber slashes to the face and survive. That is a key part of the game that is almost impossible to not notice, so surely you should complain more about that than the game of Huttball.

And this time please read the entire thing rather than just reading what you want to read. Thanks.

 

[Vuvuzela]

There are plenty MMO's that've been plenty successful without a capture the flag game, the fact they had to stoop this low to squeeze it in saddens me.

Why are people making this into such a drama! So they have added a "capture the flag" game, big ***** deal! If they didn't, it would be like " we need more pvp games, we need more this, we need more that! If you don't like it don't play Huttball. simple!

 

[Sleepery]

Over-reaction much?

 

[EvilGrin]

Why are people making this into such a drama! So they have added a "capture the flag" game, big ****** deal! If they didn't, it would be like " we need more pvp games, we need more this, we need more that! If you don't like it don't play Huttball. simple!

Mate, edit your sweary before you get into trouble. I'm not trying to create drama, I'm not complaining about every little detail of the game, I've seen something that I dislike and I've voiced that opinion. I disagree with it because I think it's a copout, they've made a number of decisions that are pigeonholing the game into a generic MMO gameplay wise, the reason this disappoints is because there are others who are raising the game in this department, so I feel that Bioware have missed the boat on something that could have made this game phenominal.

On a positive note, for me, the epic story and the fact that it'll essentially be many KOTOR games worth in one game, with option to coop with friends will make the game worth playing for me and my friends, potentially for a good while. Let's face it, bioware are the masters of story-telling, so I'm sure that it will not dissapoint.

Back to the bittersweet... Now if they'd added in a lot of innovative gameplay like GW2, the game would potentially have been something that we would have played for years to come. As it stands, colour me disappointed that this probably won't be the case.

So anybody that disagrees with you is immediately a fanboy?

And anybody that disagrees with you lacks intelligence? The shoe's on the other foot now, hm? I'm going to leave this as I'll agree to disagree with you here, I have better people with which to spend my time arguing on the internet.

Over-reaction much?

I see what you did there, and I like it!

 

[Tummy]

I'm very tempted to order the collectors edition

iPhone 5 + Monster Beats by DRE + Collectors edition of ST:TOR Expensive few months

Oh and Football Manager 2012

 

[EvilGrin]

I'm very tempted to order the collectors edition

iPhone 5 + Monster Beats by DRE + Collectors edition of ST:TOR Expensive few months

Oh and Football Manager 2012

Haha, expensive month indeed mate. I'll be purchasing the iphone 5 out of that list at least! Already pre-ordered just the standard edition of the game from Amazon.

 

[Vuvuzela]

Mate, edit your sweary before you get into trouble. I'm not trying to create drama, I'm not complaining about every little detail of the game, I've seen something that I dislike and I've voiced that opinion. I disagree with it because I think it's a copout, they've made a number of decisions that are pigeonholing the game into a generic MMO gameplay wise, the reason this disappoints is because there are others who are raising the game in this department, so I feel that Bioware have missed the boat on something that could have made this game phenominal.

On a positive note, for me, the epic story and the fact that it'll essentially be many KOTOR games worth in one game, with option to coop with friends will make the game worth playing for me and my friends, potentially for a good while. Let's face it, bioware are the masters of story-telling, so I'm sure that it will not dissapoint.

Back to the bittersweet... Now if they'd added in a lot of innovative gameplay like GW2, the game would potentially have been something that we would have played for years to come. As it stands, colour me disappointed that this probably won't be the case.



And anybody that disagrees with you lacks intelligence? The shoe's on the other foot now, hm? I'm going to leave this as I'll agree to disagree with you here, I have better people with which to spend my time arguing on the internet.



I see what you did there, and I like it!

I'm just saying in general mate and I agree everybody has an opinion. I just think what ever they do and it goes with any game, people are never going to be happy.

Explain what "innovative gameplay" GW2 has(I haven't followed it as much as Tor).

 

[ChrisJSY]

Explain what "innovative gameplay" GW2 has(I haven't followed it as much as Tor).

One I believe, will be dynamic scaling of events, in most mmo's you want to play with a group of friends from level 1, steam rolls over all content. Healers have no healing to do, it's boring. You also have to have a trinity setup usually further on in the game.

In GW2 just, go..do it, things get harder the more people turn up, don't need to pick up a quest or find some silly chain to play with friends. Also the non linear change to events depending on the outcome (but let's face it, players will always win.. mostly )