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Vonhelmet said:
Please suggest a tenable alternative to capitalism.
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How about proper capitalism where there is a mixed market and fair competition, rather than this bastardised version of corporatism we have now.

Vonhelmet said:
And who was in the power for the majority of the past two decades?
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I'm sure in the original quote (from the other thread that was shamefully deleted) it said "more than two decades". Let's not pretend that the consumer culture in this culture didn't start in the '80s.
 
scorza said:
I'm sure in the original quote (from the other thread that was shamefully deleted) it said "more than two decades". Let's not pretend that the consumer culture in this culture didn't start in the '80s.
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Not according to the Telegraph story on this.

Link.

And how about we don't pretend anything? How about you show me that:

a) Consumer culture did start in the 80s
b) If so, it was a bad thing that it did
 
I wasn't the one pretending anything.

a) Individualism and Consumerism are the very cornerstone of the Thatcherist ethos are they not?
b) Well that's what Mr Morgan suggested in the link you helpfully provided - that consumerism was the root cause of the riots. Let me guess, like every other idiot Tory-boy on these forums you're happy to accept Mr Morgan's argument that Labour are to blame, but not his argument as to the actual cause because that might contradict your own view of the world.
 
I'll support any party that can dig this country out of the mess that your Labour buffoons left us in.
 
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^The Bullingdon's been nothing but a prestigious toff's drinking club in recent decades. A couple of years ago they rented out a 5* hotel room in central Oxford, had the politeness to lay waterproof sheeting on the floor, then proceeded to get drunk and smash all the chandeliers. Most of their activities are a lot more harmless though :p.
 
scorza said:
I wasn't the one pretending anything.

a) Individualism and Consumerism are the very cornerstone of the Thatcherist ethos are they not?
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Are they? I honestly don't know.

scorza said:
b) Well that's what Mr Morgan suggested in the link you helpfully provided - that consumerism was the root cause of the riots. Let me guess, like every other idiot Tory-boy on these forums you're happy to accept Mr Morgan's argument that Labour are to blame, but not his argument as to the actual cause because that might contradict your own view of the world.
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Please show me that consumerism first became a problem in the 80s.

Besides, he doesn't say consumerism was the root cause of the riots. He said that it's place in a web of multiple factors may have been out of kilter. That is not remotely the same thing as what you are suggesting.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Once tax is paid, it ceases to belong to the payer.
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That's a weak arguement to my point though. The issue is they misappropriated funds (stole) and then self regulated that any wrong doing was cleared by repaying their ill gotten gains.

Something that would be laughed out of court or cause outrage on these forums if a 'normal' person got away with.

Please show me that consumerism first became a problem in the 80s.
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It's when it did first rear it's ugly head over here yes. Parodied at the time by Harry Enfield with Loadsamoney
 
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