Moral dilemma - dropping a friend in it?

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Not normally a place I'd ask for this type of advice, but there you go. I offer this situation to the wisdom of the crowd in hopes of a sensible-ish solution emerging!

Basically I'm a member of an organisation I contribute a lot of time and resources to. Last week it came to light from a friend there that someone senior had told him 'in confidence' that I'd been booted out of a similar institution for 'malicious gossip/bad conduct'. This is blatantly false - an outright lie.

The gent concerned knew this, so after some deliberation decided to tell me so that I was aware of these allegations and so that I could watch my back. He asked me not to raise the issue with anyone, as it would then be obvious that he'd broken the initial confidence.

My issue is thus: I'm perfectly innocent of these allegations, and can prove it. As such, ironically the senior person concerned is themselves guilty of spreading malicious gossip, regardless of how 'in confidence' it was. Clearly their intention was that it would go no further, but that my reputation would be forever - wrongly - sullied in that other person's eyes.

Thus the dilemma. After much inner turmoil I've decided that I should take the two people concerned into a meeting with two independent witnesses who are also senior in the organisation. There I plan to calmly lay bare the facts and ask that the record be set straight and essentially (1) expose the true malicious gossiper, but consequently (2) show that our mutual friend has broken the initial 'confidence' in coming clean to me.

In my eyes, the guy knew I was innocent of the alleged 'offence' and was honourable enough to let me know what was being said. I found it offensive that I was pouring time, money and resources into this organisation while at least one senior official was slating me behind my back. However I'm torn. I can't abide liars, politics and bad feeling. As such as an innocent/wronged party I have no issues clearing this up. However my friend is obviously in a bad place now, as he'll be getting grief off the senior party concerned for letting me in on what was said about me.

I say it's a shame, but so what? If that's the type of person they are then who cares if they don't like being outed for what they are? Obviously it feels a little more delicate and personal than that from my mate's perspective.

Your thoughts oh wise ones? :(
 
Wow - Cub Scouts is more complicated these days.

Got to love the 'mystery' behind the word 'organisation'.

There's no mystery involved mate, this is a genuine issue arising between two individuals. The organisation itself has nothing to do with it so rightfully I won't be naming names. I simply included that backdrop to provide context else it wouldn't really have made sense.

Does anyone have anything constructive to add about my actual problem, without resorting to wondering out loud whether it's the Rothschilds or the Lizard Club I'm referring to? :p

e: Thanks steve-h and jumpy.
 
Id run it past your friend (who told you this) if he would mind his name being dragged through the mud in "private" which will probably turn public.

KaHn
 
Well yeah, but you asked for thoughts... that was mine! Naming the organisation/type of organisation it is doesn't exactly reveal much, though, tbh. My money's on some Christian thing.

But anyway, your friend telling you, then you both addressing the issue in a sensible way's laudable. He shouldn't really care about getting grief off the other person, as he's hardly wronged them... just revealed they're a ****.

Sounds pretty soap opera-y, anyway, ha.


Not a Christian thing, no lol But yeah that was pretty much my opinion of it. The only person who could possibly/potentially have any beef with my friend is the **** who started this all off. And what loss are they if they decide to 'take the knock' over this? None, because they're a ****. That's my take anyway. In my eyes getting this into the open clears my name (who knows how many other people I've been wrongly slagged off to 'in confidence'?), but reveals the wrongdoer for what they are.
 
There's no mystery involved mate, this is a genuine issue arising between two individuals. The organisation itself has nothing to do with it so rightfully I won't be naming names. I simply included that backdrop to provide context else it wouldn't really have made sense.

Does anyone have anything constructive to add about my actual problem, without resorting to wondering out loud whether it's the Rothschilds or the Lizard Club I'm referring to? :p


The organisation has everything to do with it, unless you're just looking for quoted examples on awkward social situations from the internet. Or unless you wanted to look cool, being part of a secret club.
 
Id run it past your friend (who told you this) if he would mind his name being dragged through the mud in "private" which will probably turn public.

KaHn

Already done, of course. He agreed to stand by me but is understandably apprehensive about being **** on by the person concerned. We both decided we agreed that it'd be no loss to lose the friendship of a person acting vindictively thus. I just wanted some extra input in case I was being unreasonable asking my friend to do this.
 
The organisation has everything to do with it, unless you're just looking for quoted examples on awkward social situations from the internet. Or unless you wanted to look cool, being part of a secret club.

Others seem to be managing to provide helpful input just fine. If you feel you can't help then feel free to go back. :)
 
Then go for it, alsong as the guy who told you is happy, I'd go public and bring it up infront of everyone.

But I'd speak to the most senior guy with your friend in tow to confirm the best course of action, end of the day he may know more than you think

KaHn
 
The way I see it, it's simple (but then I'm not the one in the situation), your friend has your back and gave you a heads up. You should also have his back and not mention that he did.
 
Then go for it, alsong as the guy who told you is happy, I'd go public and bring it up infront of everyone.

But I'd speak to the most senior guy with your friend in tow to confirm the best course of action, end of the day he may know more than you think

KaHn

Pretty much the conclusion I came to.

The way I see it, it's simple (but then I'm not the one in the situation), your friend has your back and gave you a heads up. You should also have his back and not mention that he did.

Unfortunately it's a little more complicated than that. Ideally yes I'd just keep my mouth shut and know where loyalties lay. I can't/won't name the organisation concerned because this is hardly a private forum and threads take #1 slot on Google pretty quickly. It's nothing to do with the organisation itself and I would never bring it into disrepute in that way.

However, suffice to say knowing what I know makes it untenable for me to continue to attend and provide my services. At least without bubbling resentment and the knowledge I'm basically being taken advantage of. I'm also not the type to just walk out - the organisation itself and the others who form it are great, so I'd be cutting off my nose to spite my face.

Damned if I do and damned if I don't. Hence the dilemma, and this thread. :o
 
If someone tells you in confidence, that (in my opinion) should never be broken, no matter how hard it is for you to take it. You now have knowledge you'd never have had previously if it wasn't for your confidant.
Find another method for your revenge, upcommance or karma.
 
Not normally a place I'd ask for this type of advice, but there you go. I offer this situation to the wisdom of the crowd in hopes of a sensible-ish solution emerging!

Basically I'm a member of an organisation I contribute a lot of time and resources to. Last week it came to light from a friend there that someone senior had told him 'in confidence' that I'd been booted out of a similar institution for 'malicious gossip/bad conduct'. This is blatantly false - an outright lie.

The gent concerned knew this, so after some deliberation decided to tell me so that I was aware of these allegations and so that I could watch my back. He asked me not to raise the issue with anyone, as it would then be obvious that he'd broken the initial confidence.

My issue is thus: I'm perfectly innocent of these allegations, and can prove it. As such, ironically the senior person concerned is themselves guilty of spreading malicious gossip, regardless of how 'in confidence' it was. Clearly their intention was that it would go no further, but that my reputation would be forever - wrongly - sullied in that other person's eyes.

Thus the dilemma. After much inner turmoil I've decided that I should take the two people concerned into a meeting with two independent witnesses who are also senior in the organisation. There I plan to calmly lay bare the facts and ask that the record be set straight and essentially (1) expose the true malicious gossiper, but consequently (2) show that our mutual friend has broken the initial 'confidence' in coming clean to me.

In my eyes, the guy knew I was innocent of the alleged 'offence' and was honourable enough to let me know what was being said. I found it offensive that I was pouring time, money and resources into this organisation while at least one senior official was slating me behind my back. However I'm torn. I can't abide liars, politics and bad feeling. As such as an innocent/wronged party I have no issues clearing this up. However my friend is obviously in a bad place now, as he'll be getting grief off the senior party concerned for letting me in on what was said about me.

I say it's a shame, but so what? If that's the type of person they are then who cares if they don't like being outed for what they are? Obviously it feels a little more delicate and personal than that from my mate's perspective.

Your thoughts oh wise ones? :(



If it was me who told you what was being said behind your back, I would have no issue with with it being known that I had told you. If you are going to spread malicious gossip then you must be aware of the consequences and your friend was right to tell you regardless of what the senior member may have expected of him.

Frankly given the lack of professionalism, integrity and honesty shown by the senior member, he has no basis to be judgemental about the conduct of your friend, who has shown significantly more loyalty and integrity than the senior member.

I would confront the senior member in public, you can be sure that he has not only told your friend and he will only have suspicions of who you heard it from, simply do not divulge how you know. Have this repugnant individual explain himself in full view of everyone, and show him to be the lying scumbag that he is.

I may be a little bit more aggressive than you though, my friend, so maybe a more private meeting would suit your temperament better. Either way, do not allow this person to denigrate you in such a way, if he had any integrity he would voice his opinion without hiding behind his position or behind your back and you should show him for what he is.
 
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My course of action wins, speak to the person at the top.

However I will point out I'm not a political person and speak my mind.

KaHn
 
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