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I am surprised that nobody has blamed Thatcher for something yet.
Nadine Dorries abortion proposals
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I am surprised that nobody has blamed Thatcher for something yet.
I don't think life beginning is important, what is important is a woman having domain over her own body.
Not only did I predispose of your nonsense and disingenuous question by showing that claiming abortions can happen so late in a pregnancy by demonstrating that over 90% of abortions happen long before this stage.
Let me ask you a non disingenuous question, are you opposed to all abortion full stop, or would you make exceptions for cases of rape and the like?
Is this really what this amendment is about though? Or is it an attempt to restrict the availability of abortion via the backdoor?
I did, you ignored the post.
What was being asked for was not looking for impartial advice centres, it was opening up to allow groups to do it, namely Christian groups which would advise against abortion in all cases.
Impartial advice is on hand at both abortion centres and the NHS under the current system, this was a way of trying to sneak in religious organisations into the mix, allowing people to be mislead by outside groups, some of which would not even present their religious affiliation.
Both abortions I have been involved in were through the NHS initially, and both times I was present impartial advice was offered at that end, from there I cannot vouch for the advice both medical and moral once the decision to book a session at the abortion providers, although both girls have told me that the hellish time was made considerably more bearable than it could have been by said providers.
Even though I'm not religious, the last Shameless episode was enough to nearly turn me into a pro lifer
Explain, I don't watch it
Except that there's utterly no evidence that that's the case. And the model of health service providers giving advice on their own services is used everywhere else in healthcare. You don't demand an independent third party organisation gives advice on your hip op, for example. There's no requirement that the optician that does your eyetest be different from the one that makes your glasses. And so forth, and so on.
It's just utter rubbish that there's any need for special concern here, especially given the total lack of evidence that anything untoward is happening.
The aim is pure and simple, it's to try and make it more difficult for women to get abortions and to try and make it easier for religious groups to apply pressure on these women not to get abortions. Yes, yes, Nadine says on her blog she doesn't want religious groups involved. This is pure dishonesty on her part. No part of the bill prevents either religious groups being involved or their working through front companies that misrepresent their intentions (which is exactly what has happened where similar laws have been introduced in the US).
The anti-choice lobby over here is learning lessons from their US counterparts. They know they can't ban abortions outright so they mean to steadily chip away at women's reproductive rights inch-by-inch in little drips wrapped up in a cloak of deception that appears, on the face of it, to be reasonable.
Libby's mother (Patty) was found out to be a wheelchair + benefit fraudster, and at the end when she got kicked out, she was rollerskating around saying how she had hopes and ambitions of becoming a pro ice skater until she fell pregnant with Libby at just 15. She had wanted an abortion but they were illegal back in her days.
The whole way it was done made you feel absolutely no pity, only hatred towards the woman.
I'm pretty sure we've had our fair share of fundamentalist Christianity in this country without having to absolve ourselves of responsibility for it by blaming America.
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That is where we fundamentally disagree. I think life beginning is very important.
First of all when you start debating a point with someone and then claim their view to be nonsense it weakens your own position.
I wasn't being disingenuous in any way. I was pointing out that in this country we perform abortions at a stage in development where babies have been shown to survive. I am not denying that the bulk of abortions happen before this point. I don't know if 90% is the correct figure or not.
You asked me whether I was opposed to all abortion, well yes is the answer to that. I believe that life begins at conception. If a woman is carrying a child conceived through rape is that any fault of the child? Does that child deserve to die because their father was a rapist?
To add come further clarity I don't agree with capital punishment or any sort of killing really. Does that make me "pro-life"? Well if you want to stick a label on things then I suppose it does.
I certainly don't profess to hold all the answers, these are just my views.
I don't get how that would make one pro life? Great, a 15 year old was forced to bring a pregnancy to term, ruining her life and ambitions...
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You are comparing apples with oranges. How many people go the optician and get prescribed glasses and then are racked with guilt afterwards?
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I didn't ignore anything. I do seem to be pretty much alone in my views here on this which means I am having to respond to quite a bit. If you can show me the post in question I will do my best to answer it honestly.
And this is where we get to the sick and twisted part of pro lifers. Not only is a woman the victim of a rape, she then has to bare the audacity of having to endure the complete loss of sovereignty over her own body and bring her rapists child to term completely against her will.
How you can hold such a view amazes me, luckily you are in a tiny minority not only in this country, but across civilised society.
No he isn't. The idea isn't that they are trying to promote abortion for abortions sake, its that they are trying to sell abortion to increase profits just like an optician is trying to sell glasses. Via the NHS you get the facts and little more, what the religious right are trying to enable is for groups to set up clinics which present not the facts, but lies, misinformation and pressure one way or the other.
Just out of curiosity how old are you, what would you describe you social status as and what church do you go to?
When most of these UK groups are being funded and coached by their US equivalents, I think it's a no-brainer to blame US Christian fundamentalists.
Except that the character of the daughter was much more likable than that of the mother.