Thick-headed racists never cease to amaze me

SexyGreyFox · 10 Sep 2011 at 20:33

Dabbles said:
That is a very slippery slope you're on. Surely the offensiveness of a word is down to the intent behind the use of the word?!

OK, so go and test it.

1) Go and stand in front of some Asians (pick any you like) and start using the word in a non offensive way. Perhaps you could say "Hey maties, I have a P friend around here but not sure where he lives. I know he lives in a street full of Ps .........." and so on

2) Go and ask a copper the same thing but keep saying the word when he asks you to stop but NEVER be offensive when using the word.
Keep saying "But you misunderstand I'm looking for my P mate" and keep repeating it.

I think I'll know what will happen in both cases.

j.col · 10 Sep 2011 at 20:39

Forde said:
Rainmaker, it sounds like you did the right thing, at least. Well done mate.

this,
the racist fool was just a chav

kylew · 10 Sep 2011 at 20:39

dmpoole said:
Absolutely not.
There is no place where that word can be used now by a person who isn't from Pakistan.
It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, that is the fact, the P word is derogatory no matter what context it is used.
If you stand in front of a copper and spout those words, even in an innocent manner, then expect something to happen.

I'm not saying use of the word itself is not racist at all, I was just saying that it's the context that the word has been used in which has meant it's become a racial slur. I was saying that it really isn't any different to "Brit" if you ignore the context of it.

I wasn't actually trying to claim it has a legitimate use. It's like "Chink", it's a completely racist word, some people do try to use it and claim it's not racist (Going for a Chinky), for example.

Whether the person hearing the word takes offence to it is another matter all together.

kylew · 10 Sep 2011 at 20:42

PanMaster said:
More an indication of bitterness and depression in one's own life.
Reading numerous news articles, here and in Sweden, saying very bad things about non-Western immigrants doesn't help matters.

Which is an indication of stupidity. Some one who resorts to racism "because I'm sad/bitter/"depressed" is an idiot. It doesn't matter how you try to justify it, it's still idiotic.

It is highly illogical to be prejudiced against some one just because of the melanin content of their skin. It's just as arbitrary as judging some one because of their bone density, muscle mass or blood type.

Doohickey · 10 Sep 2011 at 20:46

kylew said:
Which is an indication of stupidity. Some one who resorts to racism "because I'm sad/bitter/"depressed" is an idiot. It doesn't matter how you try to justify it, it's still idiotic.

It is highly illogical to be prejudiced against some one just because of the melanin content of their skin. It's just as arbitrary as judging some one because of their bone density, muscle mass or blood type.

I don't think people resort to being racist. It's a combination of ignorance (cliche) and vitriol. There's no logic involved.

Dabbles · 10 Sep 2011 at 20:47

dmpoole said:
OK, so go and test it.

1) Go and stand in front of some Asians (pick any you like) and start using the word in a non offensive way. Perhaps you could say "Hey maties, I have a P friend around here but not sure where he lives. I know he lives in a street full of Ps .........." and so on

2) Go and ask a copper the same thing but keep saying the word when he asks you to stop but NEVER be offensive when using the word.
Keep saying "But you misunderstand I'm looking for my P mate" and keep repeating it.

I think I'll know what will happen in both cases.

While I agree with you fully that to try this out in public would prove 'interesting'. However, I fully disagree with this mindset and I stand by my comment that it is the intent used that defines anything as offensive.

kylew · 10 Sep 2011 at 20:51

Doohickey said:
I don't think people resort to being racist. It's a combination of ignorance (cliche) and vitriol. There's no logic involved.

Of course! That's why I said illogical.

Though, from my own experience I have met people who did "resort" to racism and used personal feelings as a justification. Some one who in normal circumstances wouldn't strike you as a racist, and would even go as far as to condemn it, would suddenly say it's okay call some one a "******" because they've done something to upset/annoy them.

UncleRuckus · 10 Sep 2011 at 20:53

Doohickey said:
I don't think people resort to being racist. It's a combination of ignorance (cliche) and vitriol. There's no logic involved.

So an Asian girl who gets raped by a bunch of white men hates white men because of it; is ignorant?

kylew · 10 Sep 2011 at 20:53

Dabbles said:
While I agree with you fully that to try this out in public would prove 'interesting'. However, I fully disagree with this mindset and I stand by my comment that it is the intent used that defines anything as offensive.

That would be being quite particular, because you could say "I heard some guy being called a "****" over and over again by this guy who looked like a Neo Nazi" which would have course never be meant in a racist way.

No police officer of sound mind would attempt to stop, or complain to some one about saying that if they over heard it.

I think dimple was more talking about when you're using "****" to refer to another person, that it's lost its "innocent" meaning a long time ago with the way people have been using it.

Doohickey · 10 Sep 2011 at 20:56

UncleRuckus said:
So an Asian girl who gets raped by a bunch of white men hates white men because of it; is ignorant?

Errr.... quite different circumstance, but still, yes- sure she has experienced psychological trauma, but it's still ignorant if she assumes all white men are therefore the same.

kylew · 10 Sep 2011 at 20:58

UncleRuckus said:
So an Asian girl who gets raped by a bunch of white men hates white men because of it; is ignorant?

To put it bluntly, yes. It's not taking away from the fact that she was raped, but it is extremely ignorant to use that as a reason to hate white men.

The point is the classification of a perceived "race" and hating some one because of that. Hate the men that did it, not people who have the same colour skin as them.

UncleRuckus · 10 Sep 2011 at 21:00

Doohickey said:
Errr.... quite different circumstance, but still, yes- sure she has experienced psychological trauma, but it's still ignorant if she assumes all white men are therefore the same.

Okay fine

But could you understand her point of view of not wanting to be near white men and a justified fear of being around them from previous experiences of trauma?

kylew · 10 Sep 2011 at 21:00

UncleRuckus said:
Okay fine But could you understand her point of view of not wanting to be near white men and a justified fear of being around them from previous experiences of trauma?

No, because she's imposing the title of "rapist" on others simply because of the colour of their skin.

eddiemcgarrigle · 10 Sep 2011 at 21:03

He wants to eat their food but in the same instance, he wants them out of 'his' country? Idiot racist is indeed an idiot.

LabR@t · 10 Sep 2011 at 21:04

[FnG]magnolia;20037760 said:
Dirty Dog, Latex Ass, l@brat and all the other cretins would disagree with your summary.

I do not.

Pardon?

Don't drag me into your squabbles.

Doohickey · 10 Sep 2011 at 21:05

UncleRuckus said:
Okay fine But could you understand her point of view of not wanting to be near white men and a justified fear of being around them from previous experiences of trauma?

Of course I could understand fear, but not if she from then on categorically branded all white men as rapists. There are exceptional circumstances with everything in life. I don't see your point though- mindless racism (as in the original post) isn't typically mediated by exceptional circumstances like rape. The racist in the takeaway hadn't been raped by the takeaway staff.

UncleRuckus · 10 Sep 2011 at 21:08

kylew said:
No, because she's imposing the title of "rapist" on others simply because of the colour of their skin.

What if white men were known for it, I mean it gets to such a point that crime statistics showed that; white men raped and Asians in X% of cases?

Would she be justified in having fear of them?

UncleRuckus · 10 Sep 2011 at 21:09

eddiemcgarrigle said:
He wants to eat their food but in the same instance, he wants them out of 'his' country? Idiot racist is indeed an idiot.

Yep, the guy was a complete hypocrite!

UncleRuckus · 10 Sep 2011 at 21:09

Doohickey said:
Of course I could understand fear, but not if she from then on categorically branded all white men as rapists. There are exceptional circumstances with everything in life. I don't see your point though- mindless racism (as in the original post) isn't typically mediated by exceptional circumstances like rape. The racist in the takeaway hadn't been raped by the takeaway staff.

Oh absolutely, there's an exception to every rule.

Doohickey · 10 Sep 2011 at 21:10

UncleRuckus said:
What if white men were known for it, I mean it gets to such a point that crime statistics showed that; white men raped and Asians in X% of cases?

Would she be justified in having fear of them?

Erm. If 100% of rapes committed on Asian women were by white men then yes. :confused:

Instead of postulating like you are, what is your point?