Thick-headed racists never cease to amaze me

Neil79 · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:12

kylew said:
As for Neil's use of it, come on use some though. If he was genuinely trying to come across as not racist and "a changed man" you'd think he'd put a bit more effort in and not say "****" because it's basically undermined any point he could have had.

No it hasn't it's only because of you and a few others clouded viewpoint

Me and Tefal have had our moments, but he is Spot on in this

fizzle-187 · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:12

Too many racist ***** on this forum as well.

Castiel · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:12

Neil79 said:
I'll put this to bed right now!

My short word for pakistani is ****, notice i said indians/pakis... If this stupid arse of a country deams the word **** as anything but racist than the fool is you.

Look how many different terms that word has
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=****

What's next being racist because you call a British Citizen a Brit?

What I cannot stand which causes me to rage, is having to explain myself over and over again and it's twisted around to suit your view point. There is something seriously wrong with this country when a shortened word becomes something that is so offensive. I think i'll go attack someone because they've
called me a Brit

It has since been pointed out that the term is offensive in common usage in this country, so to continue to use it regardless implies that you neither care for or respect the feelings of others at best and are simply trying to justify using racist terminology at worst.

Interestingly, would you use the word ****** to describe someone from Africa?

RedDanDoc · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:13

The thing with the word "****" is that it is usually used in a derogatory way by racists especially in this country.

I thought everybody knew that ? :confused:

franco_22 · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:13

Neil79 said:
Most likely drink, people on night out have attacked people for simply being there.

p.s Asian Girls, Jap girls, Chinese are seriously sexy!

Is it ok to say Jap? or is that racist

She was thai.

But it still didn't excuse their behaviour and it made her feel really bad to the point she stopped going out or when she goes she can never relax. Also, I got a big scar on my face for it because one of them had a knife. All that could've been avoided if they weren't so racist.

Neil79 · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:14

Castiel said:
Interestingly, would you use the word ****** to describe someone from Africa?

But that isn't a shortened word from anything is it?

kylew · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:16

Neil79 said:
But that isn't a shortened word from anything is it?

What exactly do you think it's short for, Niggeritis?

RedDanDoc · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:16

Neil79 said:
But that isn't a shortened word from anything is it?

Tummy · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:17

kylew said:
Oh shut up Tummy, yet again you come in to a thread and say that without actually reading my posts. Do you think it's wrong to point out Neil's comments and attitude is racist? Why are you ignoring every one else and choosing to "lol" me?

kylew said:
Tummy seemingly likes to follow me around and post "lolKyle" to anything I say regardless of what I've actually said.

kylew said:
If you read back through the thread you'll read my arguments about the word "****" itself. It's been corrupted by the context of its use. It's like "******" and how "black" people try to use it as an endearing term as if "they're" taking the word back to mean something positive, but for a lot of people it'll never be something positive.

**** is largely used as a derogatory term to refer to people who "look like Pakis" because, you know they "all look the same, so what's wrong with it?". Whether or not your Pakistani mates use it as joke is irrelevant to the way neil was using it. It's like people claiming "going for a chinky" isn't in any way offensive because "chink" is some how not a racial slur anymore (becuase they themselves have decreed it, of course).

From a completely innocent perspective, "****" is no different to "Brit", no, but people have changed the meaning of it.

As for Neil's use of it, come on use some thought. If he was genuinely trying to come across as not racist and "a changed man" you'd think he'd put a bit more effort in and not say "****" because it's basically undermined any point he could have had.

Are you not going to address the first comments you made?

You've told me to shut up and made sweeping generalisations about me?

No, I don't think it's irrelevant to how Neil was using it, I don't think he was using it as a racist slur.

RedDanDoc · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:17

kylew said:
What exactly do you think it's short for, Niggeritis?

I don't think that the guy is Racist he's just plain THICK.

Tummy · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:18

kylew said:
What exactly do you think it's short for, Niggeritis?

I think the point Neil is making is he doesn't use "****" as a racist slur, rather just a shortened way of saying Pakinstani. Same way British people tend to become Brits.

kylew · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:19

Neil79 said:
No it hasn't it's only because of you and a few others clouded viewpoint

Me and Tefal have had our moments, but he is Spot on in this

Of course you think he's "spot on" he's agreeing with you. You don't seem to be able to actually respond to the argument I put forth. As I said before, how would you feel if some one discriminated against you because of your autism? You wouldn't like it would you? How is it fair for some one to do that, when it's something you can't help or change?

You can't just assert your viewpoint is "okay" because you believe it to be. Whether or not you accept it, your views were/are racist. If you don't believe that to be true, maybe you should look in to what racism actually is. It seems you think "racist" is some heavy insult reserved only for the worst of the worst people. A racist can be a "nice person" in every day life you know?

Castiel · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:19

Neil79 said:
But that isn't a shortened word from anything is it?

It derives from various words meaning Negro, and is not offensive in many countries, most notably in Southern Africa.

It was not offensive from the outset, it became that way from common usage.

The same with the word ****.

Neil79 · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:20

Tummy said:
I think the point Neil is making is he doesn't use "****" as a racist slur, rather just a shortened way of saying Pakinstani. Same way British people tend to become Brits.

Exactly!

Though i've said it already and I'm not thick RedDanDoc, my point was spot on

kylew said:
Of course you think he's "spot on" he's agreeing with you. You don't seem to be able to actually respond to the argument I put forth. As I said before, how would you feel if some one discriminated against you because of your autism? You wouldn't like it would you? How is it fair for some one to do that, when it's something you can't help or change? ?

Oh believe me i've been disciminated by our own government it annoys me but I just get on with it, but unlike indians/pakis you would never be able to tell

Brian8bit · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:21

This thread has detracted into pseudo intellectual **** waving herp derpery.

semi-pro waster · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:21

Castiel said:
Why, of course Officer.

Good good, I'd hate to think there was any other insinuation there.

Castiel said:
He doesn't hate them, he actually believes he is simply better than them and that they (black South Africans) are in some way inferior and as such should be treated as such. It's a strange dichotomy, but he feels responsible for way his black workers on his farm are now unemployed since he left and actually cared about their welfare, at the same time as denying them rights as equal people. I suppose he sees Black South Africans as we would see a pet Dog.

As far as he is concerned, my Amerindian descent is of no consequence as I have demonstrated that my White European blood has overcome that innate disadvantage. His words, not mine.

It is rather strange although I think your analogy is a fair one for how a proportion of people think about such matters it's almost as if the prevailing idea is "it's for their own good, if we allowed them to rule themselves they'd only get into trouble". It's a form of condescension which never sits well even if the person honestly believes they're doing the "right" thing.

I do have a few mates who are racist to greater or lesser degrees and we've come to a tacit agreement simply not to discuss such matters as it'll only lead to arguments.

Just reading that back - does "I'm friends with some racists" now replace "I'm not racist, I've got some black friends" as being the silly statement of choice to prove something?

kylew · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:21

Tummy said:
I think the point Neil is making is he doesn't use "****" as a racist slur, rather just a shortened way of saying Pakinstani. Same way British people tend to become Brits.

But by that logic, it's okay to use ****** as long as he claims he doesn't mean it in a racist way.

Castiel · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:22

Tummy said:
I think the point Neil is making is he doesn't use "****" as a racist slur, rather just a shortened way of saying Pakinstani. Same way British people tend to become Brits.

And we are pointing out that while that may be true, as it has now been pointed out that it is considered derogatory to continue to use it shows a lack of consideration on the part of Neil.

kylew · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:23

Tummy said:
Are you not going to address the first comments you made?

You've told me to shut up and made sweeping generalisations about me?

No, I don't think it's irrelevant to how Neil was using it, I don't think he was using it as a racist slur.

It was hardly a sweeping generalisation when you've done it a few times before. It was pretty clear what your intentions were when you said "lol kylew", come on don't pretend you meant something else.

Tummy · 11 Sep 2011 at 16:23

kylew said:
But by that logic, it's okay to use ****** as long as he claims he doesn't mean it in a racist way.

No, by that logic he wouldn't use the word because it doesn't describe where someone is from? :confused:

It's a racist slur, as I've said, Neil (imho and he's explained) that he was using it as a shortened version of Pakistani in much similar way to using Brit > British.