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Ahleckz said:
I just watched some of that video, and giggled. MMA is almost as dumb as WWF (WWE). The punches don't look 'proper' (look at the 3 minute mark), and most of it just appears to be two burly men hugging each other on the floor. And then at the 5 minute mark, instead of twatting the bloke on the floor he's just basically slapping the top of his head.
I've commented in the past, in big MMA threads about how fake and daft it all looks and asked why they can't do a 'proper' fight but I never get an answer.
I enjoy boxing, and can see the 'art' in martial arts but MMA? It's ridiculous. And the shirts? Tacky.
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Right, so a real fight between ex worlds strongest man x 5 Vs a veteran of the sport and british hero James Thompson looks daft and fake to you, but a fight where 2 men strap on comically sized gloves and are limited to throwing just punches, and cannot use the rest of their body at all, is something you enjoy.

MMA is the closest thing to a real fight, I'm sorry it doesn't look pretty like the movies have led you to believe. The punches don't look pretty like they sometimes do in Boxing because they have to deal with everything else, and do you only watch the boxing highlights, because sloppy boxing is resorted to all the time when the fighters play the snooze fest clinch game, in mma, the clinch is an offensive weapon rather than a chance to catch a small break.

Guess who David Haye hires as his body guard?

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Ahleckz said:
I just watched some of that video, and giggled. MMA is almost as dumb as WWF (WWE). The punches don't look 'proper' (look at the 3 minute mark), and most of it just appears to be two burly men hugging each other on the floor. And then at the 5 minute mark, instead of twatting the bloke on the floor he's just basically slapping the top of his head.
I've commented in the past, in big MMA threads about how fake and daft it all looks and asked why they can't do a 'proper' fight but I never get an answer.
I enjoy boxing, and can see the 'art' in martial arts but MMA? It's ridiculous. And the shirts? Tacky.
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Clearly it's not your thing but to call it fake... are you having a laugh?

And what do you mean by proper fighting? By having strict rules forcing the fighters to stand up rather than watching a 'boring' ground game. The point of these fights is to beat your opponent by pretty much any means necessary. The only rules are you can't hit the back of the head, hit someone in the knackers, poke eyes and pull hair etc. If you are fighting someone who is good with their fists then you are going to have to take them to the floor to beat them otherwise you are going to get knocked out.

MMA is far far far more entertaining than boxing as there is a lot more action rather than just watching 2 guys hide behind their gloves for 10 rounds.

Ohh and when a boxer fights a mixed martial artist: http://www.boobootv.com/2010/08/30/randy-couture-vs-james-toney-full-fight/
 
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peterattheboro said:
Clearly it's not your thing but to call it fake... are you having a laugh?

And what do you mean by proper fighting? By having strict rules forcing the fighters to stand up rather than watching a 'boring' ground game. The point of these fights is to beat your opponent by pretty much any means necessary. The only rules are you can't hit the back of the head, hit someone in the knackers, poke eyes and pull hair etc. If you are fighting someone who is good with their fists then you are going to have to take them to the floor to beat them otherwise you are going to get knocked out.

MMA is far far far more entertaining than boxing as there is a lot more action rather than just watching 2 guys hide behind their gloves for 10 rounds.

Ohh and when a boxer fights a mixed martial artist: http://www.boobootv.com/2010/08/30/randy-couture-vs-james-toney-full-fight/
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A good post

Also bare in mind, the MMA fighter was 47 when the fight took place and the Boxer verbally submitted then went back to punching from bottom (lol), but the ref didn't hear, he tried to trick his way out.
 
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Ahleckz said:
I've commented in the past, in big MMA threads about how fake and daft it all looks and asked why they can't do a 'proper' fight but I never get an answer.
I enjoy boxing, and can see the 'art' in martial arts but MMA? It's ridiculous.
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What looks fake and daft is not always the case. The grappling aspect can be extremely technical where, if you make the wrong move, your fight is over. Therefore the fighters need to plan carefully what to do when grappling as opposed to just lashing out and hoping for the best - that way leads you to being submitted in one form or another.

You really need to watch a good few matches with some good fighters to start to understand it e.g.

In that MMA V Boxer fight, you will see the MMA fighter on top of the boxer, hooking his legs around the boxers and keeping them apart and off the ground. It is extremely difficult to manoeuvre yourself off your back if your legs are held like this and someone is laying on top of you.

When you see the bottom guy "hugging" the top guy, this is not done because he likes him but it's to stop the top guy posturing up and punching down as effectively

What looks like a "silly fake" thing is actually not.
 
peterattheboro said:
Clearly it's not your thing but to call it fake... are you having a laugh?

And what do you mean by proper fighting? By having strict rules forcing the fighters to stand up rather than watching a 'boring' ground game. The point of these fights is to beat your opponent by pretty much any means necessary. The only rules are you can't hit the back of the head, hit someone in the knackers, poke eyes and pull hair etc. If you are fighting someone who is good with their fists then you are going to have to take them to the floor to beat them otherwise you are going to get knocked out.

MMA is far far far more entertaining than boxing as there is a lot more action rather than just watching 2 guys hide behind their gloves for 10 rounds.

Ohh and when a boxer fights a mixed martial artist: http://www.boobootv.com/2010/08/30/randy-couture-vs-james-toney-full-fight/
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The punches aren't full on, they don't follow through. A lot of it is just slapping or knocking. I've seen very few 'proper' punches. I'm comparing this to street fights and also non-heavyweight boxing (which I don't enjoy).
If that is the point, then why aren't they laying into each other instead of just hugging each other and slapping each others heads? Where are the quality punches, the decent forceful kicks? It's a dance, and you seem to win by tiring out the other person.

Yea, you get that in boxing and heavy weight is particularly boring but the lower weight divisions and especially Olympic scoring boxing tends to be fast paced and exciting. They aren't rolling around the floor, they are ducking, weaving, hitting.

Edit - Just watched that video. I'm not sure what it's meant to prove? A guy who is trained in 'floor game' takes on someone who isn't and then puts them on the floor. Of course that was going to happen. It doesn't mean MMA is better, or boxing is. It's different styles and aren't comparable. The punches were shockingly bad, very few of them landed, all the MMA guy did was wear out the boxer by effectively lying on him and getting very few lucky hits in. Psh.
 
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Ahleckz said:
The punches aren't full on, they don't follow through. A lot of it is just slapping or knocking. I've seen very few 'proper' punches. I'm comparing this to street fights and also non-heavyweight boxing (which I don't enjoy).
If that is the point, then why aren't they laying into each other instead of just hugging each other and slapping each others heads? Where are the quality punches, the decent forceful kicks? It's a dance, and you seem to win by tiring out the other person.

Yea, you get that in boxing and heavy weight is particularly boring but the lower weight divisions and especially Olympic scoring boxing tends to be fast paced and exciting. They aren't rolling around the floor, they are ducking, weaving, hitting.

Edit - Just watched that video. I'm not sure what it's meant to prove? A guy who is trained in 'floor game' takes on someone who isn't and then puts them on the floor. Of course that was going to happen. It doesn't mean MMA is better, or boxing is. It's different styles and aren't comparable. The punches were shockingly bad, very few of them landed, all the MMA guy did was wear out the boxer by effectively lying on him and getting very few lucky hits in. Psh.
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What good will swinging for the ceiling trying to knock someone out do when the other guy is just going to sub you straight away.

An example of an inexperienced fighter vs someone accomplished (Skip to 11 mins)

And the fact you are comparing this to a 'street fight' suggests that i'm wasting my breath trying to explain something to someone who is completely ignorant about the sport.

I suggest you brush up on the sport before you start bashing it unknowingly.
 
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Ahleckz said:
The punches aren't full on, they don't follow through. A lot of it is just slapping or knocking. I've seen very few 'proper' punches. I'm comparing this to street fights and also non-heavyweight boxing (which I don't enjoy).
If that is the point, then why aren't they laying into each other instead of just hugging each other and slapping each others heads? Where are the quality punches, the decent forceful kicks? It's a dance, and you seem to win by tiring out the other person.

Yea, you get that in boxing and heavy weight is particularly boring but the lower weight divisions and especially Olympic scoring boxing tends to be fast paced and exciting. They aren't rolling around the floor, they are ducking, weaving, hitting.

Edit - Just watched that video. I'm not sure what it's meant to prove? A guy who is trained in 'floor game' takes on someone who isn't and then puts them on the floor. Of course that was going to happen. It doesn't mean MMA is better, or boxing is. It's different styles and aren't comparable. The punches were shockingly bad, very few of them landed, all the MMA guy did was wear out the boxer by effectively lying on him and getting very few lucky hits in. Psh.
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So, not only do you not understand how punches work, but you then go on to demonstrate you don't understand how combat works by citing Olympic scoring boxing as an example, a sport well known to be one of the worst examples of stringent Olympic restrictions preventing it being anything like real Boxing resulting in it turning into who can tap each other the most on the forehead in quick succession.

Did you ever watch Joe Calzaghe fight and think "hmm, why is he slapping and not punching?"
 
Ahleckz said:
The punches aren't full on, they don't follow through. A lot of it is just slapping or knocking. I've seen very few 'proper' punches. I'm comparing this to street fights and also non-heavyweight boxing (which I don't enjoy).
If that is the point, then why aren't they laying into each other instead of just hugging each other and slapping each others heads? Where are the quality punches, the decent forceful kicks? It's a dance, and you seem to win by tiring out the other person.

Yea, you get that in boxing and heavy weight is particularly boring but the lower weight divisions and especially Olympic scoring boxing tends to be fast paced and exciting. They aren't rolling around the floor, they are ducking, weaving, hitting.

Edit - Just watched that video. I'm not sure what it's meant to prove? A guy who is trained in 'floor game' takes on someone who isn't and then puts them on the floor. Of course that was going to happen. It doesn't mean MMA is better, or boxing is. It's different styles and aren't comparable. The punches were shockingly bad, very few of them landed, all the MMA guy did was wear out the boxer by effectively lying on him and getting very few lucky hits in. Psh.
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skip to 0.30

note this is the best fighter on the planet, nobody is even near his level, he "humiliates" guys from all disciplines, including boxing, etc. in fact the only person who came close to beating him was a high level wrestler.

he makes world class fighters look like street fighters.
 
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Ahleckz said:
The punches aren't full on, they don't follow through. A lot of it is just slapping or knocking. I've seen very few 'proper' punches. I'm comparing this to street fights and also non-heavyweight boxing (which I don't enjoy).
If that is the point, then why aren't they laying into each other instead of just hugging each other and slapping each others heads? Where are the quality punches, the decent forceful kicks? It's a dance, and you seem to win by tiring out the other person.

Yea, you get that in boxing and heavy weight is particularly boring but the lower weight divisions and especially Olympic scoring boxing tends to be fast paced and exciting. They aren't rolling around the floor, they are ducking, weaving, hitting.

Edit - Just watched that video. I'm not sure what it's meant to prove? A guy who is trained in 'floor game' takes on someone who isn't and then puts them on the floor. Of course that was going to happen. It doesn't mean MMA is better, or boxing is. It's different styles and aren't comparable. The punches were shockingly bad, very few of them landed, all the MMA guy did was wear out the boxer by effectively lying on him and getting very few lucky hits in. Psh.
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Ha ha you really have no idea.
 
I personally can't stand MMA. But to call it fake is just idiotic! Do you see the kind of damage those nutters can come out with?!

When I used to do boxing, we got warned about the MMA fighters being crazy!:eek:
 
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