Mac vs PC

spudbynight · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:31

Strife212 said:
But he's saying the PC is actually better.

Which PC? The one made by Apple?

Strife212 · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:33

Yes.

(No)

peterattheboro · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:33

Raymond Lin said:
Free if you are a student or work in HE (just buy it online). So yes, buy a iMac the day before you graduate, have 3 years of warranty on it, labour and parts and all. I know people who had a totally NEW iMac delivered to them after like 2 and a bit years after their screen failed.

Extra to pay if you are everyone else.

So you're still without a computer if they have to take it away when anyone sensible could just fix their own PC. You talk about precious time but what if it breaks and you then don't have your computer to do any work where as if you had a system you support yourself, you could have it fixed a lot quicker than the Apple technicians could?

EdGey · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:34

Raymond Lin said:
They both get you from A-B, both PC and Mac get your job done (surf the net, emails, etc).

Yet people still pay more for the Veyron, and the Mac.

Yes they both get you from A-B, but the PC is better at doing so for the things I require it to do. That is why I have a PC and wouldn't use a Mac. :confused:

Raymond Lin said:
So why are these PC lovers keep bringing up these Mac hate threads every few months? Do you ever see someone go into the windows forum and goes.

"My OSX poos on you lot from a great height!!!!"

I don't, do you?

Not sure what this has to do with me. I have no interest in who loves what, or who moans about it.

FreeStream · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:34

peterattheboro said:
So you're still without a computer if they have to take it away when anyone sensible could just fix their own PC. You talk about precious time but what if it breaks and you then don't have your computer to do any work where as if you had a system you support yourself, you could have it fixed a lot quicker than the Apple technicians could?

Doubt it.

I took my Mac Pro into Apple and it was fixed an hour later. (6PM booking for 10am the next day)
I took my MacBook Pro into Apple and it was fixed while I waited: 20 minutes. (Two hours in advance booking)

No way would you be able to do that with a self build.

Edit: Before the fanboyism, I'm sitting next to a self-built linux server and have done self-builds all my life.

Edit 2: Although that only applies to people near reasonable distance to an Apple store, say 30 mins/hour... Mine is 20 minute walk/10 minute drive so easy for me to say :/

The problem is this is a self-build forum, and Apple is the complete opposite to the main idea of this forum, hence the arguments.

Strife212 · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:36

It must have been a pretty simple component swap, if you had a PC store near you, you could certainly do that in an hour.

peterattheboro · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:37

Concorde Rules said:
Doubt it.

I took my Mac Pro into Apple and it was fixed an hour later.
I took my MacBook Pro into Apple and it was fixed while I waited: 20 minutes.

No way in hell would you be able to do that with a self build. Period.

Edit: Before the fanboyism, I'm sitting next to a self-built linux server and have done self-builds all my life.

That's good service and i can't argue with that.

But you've had to cart your system to an Apple store, wait for it to be fixed and then cart it all the way home again.

Depending on the fault I reckon your self built system can be repaired quicker.

Sukh · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:38

Raymond Lin said:
Free if you are a student or work in HE (just buy it online). So yes, buy a iMac the day before you graduate, have 3 years of warranty on it, labour and parts and all. I know people who had a totally NEW iMac delivered to them after like 2 and a bit years after their screen failed.

Extra to pay if you are everyone else.

So if you are not a student you have to pay for someone to come and collect it?

To be honest, that doesn't sound very good.

edscdk · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:39

peterattheboro said:
So you're still without a computer if they have to take it away when anyone sensible could just fix their own PC.

you mean 1 in 1000 people could fix their PC, the other 999 would need to pay someone to do it....

Six7th · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:40

Sukh said:
So if you are not a student you have to pay for someone to come and collect it?

To be honest, that doesn't sound very good.

No. You pay for extended warranty. How is that any different from anything else?

peterattheboro · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:40

edscdk said:
you mean 1 in 1000 people could fix their PC, the other 999 would need to pay someone to do it....

Yeah but i've been talking about the advantages of building and maintaining your own system vs buying a more expensive Mac.

A lot of people here are clued up with computers and can very easily repair their own systems but choose not to.

PardonTheWait · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:41

malachi said:
But unlike Microsoft, Apple sticks the users in a controlled environment and babysits them where they feel they can’t break anything. Unless Apple says so, you can’t install software or hardware unless it approved by them and them only. So of course it more reliable if you can’t do whatever you want because deep down Apple has control of what the users does with the Mac.

I don't usually get involved in these threads unless I'm a bit drunk but I can't help it here.

That is absolutely 100% untrue and I can't even imagine where you got that from.

Do you honestly think that you can't release software for the Mac unless Apple say so?

So much of what gets said in these threads is just pure made up rubbish.

D.P. · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:41

What I find funny with the Macs is that they are actually really unsatble. I spent the last 5 years in a team of 30 people split evenly between mac, windows and linux, so 1/3 apple hardware and 2/3rd Lenovo thinkpads. By far the most problems came form the macs, much more kernel crashes, much more software crashes, and much more hardware problems. We had a mac server which had hardware problems every 4-6 months for 4 years until we kicked it out and got a PC. A sibling linux server had been running for 7 years straight without any issue and never having to be rebotted!
On 7/11 Macs the battery swelled up and damaged some of the laptops requiring replacement batteries and repair, none of the thinkpads suffered that. 2 Macs overheated and died, a 3rds screen died. 2 hard disks died in the macs, none in the PCs. Yet there were twice as many PCs as Macs.

My GF recently got a brand new Mac (for free from work), hard crashed (kernel failrue type problems) within 20 minutes and continues to do so once or twice a week. Endless problems trying to sort out printer drivers, install certain software, get licenses working properly.

twist3d0n3 · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:48

i've got both macs and pcs. tbh they each serve their own purpose and each do their respective tasks well.

i don't see it as pc vs mac at all; they both have their jobs that i use them for...

K1LLSW1TCH · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:50

It's funny how the most uncommon problems seem to be experienced en masse but only on this forum and only in these types of threads. For all the apparent problems the OcUK community have with their Apple product it's quite amazing that you don't see many threads relating to said problem in the Apple sub forum.

Raymond Lin · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:52

peterattheboro said:
That's good service and i can't argue with that.

But you've had to cart your system to an Apple store, wait for it to be fixed and then cart it all the way home again.

Depending on the fault I reckon your self built system can be repaired quicker.

Also depending how technical you are as a person and how much you know about computers.

Think outside your geek box for a minute and put yourself into a average joe who thinks the CD-Tray is a cup holder.

Now. What is easier? Take it to the store? Or

Fix it yourself.

FreeStream · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:57

peterattheboro said:
That's good service and i can't argue with that.

But you've had to cart your system to an Apple store, wait for it to be fixed and then cart it all the way home again.

Depending on the fault I reckon your self built system can be repaired quicker.

If you count diagnosis time, sending part away for RMA/buying a new part, your still the best part of overnight.

As long as your Mac is less than three years old they tend to have parts either in store or very close and hence they can repair it quickly.

In serious cases where they can't work out what it is they either give you a complete new part (I got a new entire top case for an out of warranty mac book (£150 worth) for free. Or in extreme cases, a brand new Mac.

I bought my Mac Pro in April 09, but this one was built in Jan '10!

Swings and roundabouts really, I've got to the stage with two in-sync machines that if one does go down, I give it to Apple and let them get on with it, because it makes life easier.

spudbynight · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:57

Why are there Mac users on these forums?

Can you overclock a Mac now?

Sukh · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:58

Six7th said:
No. You pay for extended warranty. How is that any different from anything else?

Well if it were a PC most people on here could fix it themselves.

Second people were implying that it was some amazing CS from Apple, when they are actually just paying for the repair upfront. Bit of a dishonest argument?

POB · 13 Sep 2011 at 14:59

K1LLSW1TCH said:
It's funny how the most uncommon problems seem to be experienced en masse but only on this forum and only in these types of threads. For all the apparent problems the OcUK community have with their Apple product it's quite amazing that you don't see many threads relating to said problem in the Apple sub forum.

I think they just enjoy the trip to the Apple store and hope it keeps breaking for another excuse to visit.

The guy above with two instances of Mac Book Pro hardware failure, does not this tell you they are badly made?

In all my years of owning Dell machines I have had zero fail and have had in excess of 10 machines personally.