He should be retired, simple as that. I have seen him in fights where's he's not been a factor, but that last night should not happen. It's not even about questionable decisions, that was taking your eye off the ball in a sport where two people punch each other in the face, completely unacceptable.
Mayweather vs Ortiz (17th Sept)
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Actually I've watched it again and again now, the ref definitely did say "Let's go" and he signaled it too but then was looking away?
Totally legit then, they're already 'made' up twice, once with Ortiz giving him a pec on the cheek!?!?
Watched the post fight interview and wow, Mayweather comes across as a complete ****.
Totally legit then, they're already 'made' up twice, once with Ortiz giving him a pec on the cheek!?!?
Watched the post fight interview and wow, Mayweather comes across as a complete ****.
Could it be that Mayweather knew that there were going to be some awkward questions, so in order to duck out of them, he changed the subject and created a diversion by arguing with the interviewer? This made it impossible for the interviewer to further question him about the strange goings on during the fight.
This is exactly the sort of thing Jose Mourinho would do when his team played poorly and he wanted the focus to be taken away from the (poor) performance.
This is exactly the sort of thing Jose Mourinho would do when his team played poorly and he wanted the focus to be taken away from the (poor) performance.
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I know Floyd didn't come across as great but there's a history behind it. Larry have never really liked Floyd.
Personally i dont think Mayweather came out looking that bad, his opponent had just head butted him so the sucker punch was hardly surprising and his performance was still impressive. The interviewer just kept banging on about what Mayweather did but the reason why was instantly forgot about.
If that was Amir Khan who had got head butted the interview would have probably went down a lot different.
If that was Amir Khan who had got head butted the interview would have probably went down a lot different.
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Yeah because Amir doesnt need to take cheap shots just to win a fight.
Yeah. Also, Amir is much more of a "Gentleman" than Mayweather. If he spoke like that to an 80 year old man he'd probably get a slap from his dad.
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How would you feel if you got headbutted in a BOXING match? Isn't that a cheap shot, actually it is damn right dangerous. I've seen fights stopped because of serious cuts later on the fight with a shady headbutt.
I remember watching a great documentary about Tyson.
He spoke about the Holyfield fight. He said that the reason why he bit the ear was that Holyfield was headbutting him throughout the fight. He was really p'd off.
Going from what Tyson said, for a boxer to be headbutted is extremely infuriating; so, the fact that Mayweather was seeking retribution, immediately after being headbutted, doesn't come as a surprise. I guess Ortiz should count himself lucky that he didnt have his nose/ear bitten.
He spoke about the Holyfield fight. He said that the reason why he bit the ear was that Holyfield was headbutting him throughout the fight. He was really p'd off.
Going from what Tyson said, for a boxer to be headbutted is extremely infuriating; so, the fact that Mayweather was seeking retribution, immediately after being headbutted, doesn't come as a surprise. I guess Ortiz should count himself lucky that he didnt have his nose/ear bitten.
To be fair to Mayweather he didn't do it 'just to win a fight'. He was in complete control from minute one and by the 4th round the chances of anything other than a Mayweather win were already pretty much non existent.
Plenty of times I've heard fighters say if the fight went on another few rounds they would have got the KO, Mayweather also said the same about last night and it's one of the few times I'd agree with that assessment.
Plenty of times I've heard fighters say if the fight went on another few rounds they would have got the KO, Mayweather also said the same about last night and it's one of the few times I'd agree with that assessment.
Ever met him? Thought not.
I live about 5 minutes from where he grew up, and hate to burst your bubble he's a **** hole.
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From what I have seen of him in various interviews I think his main crime is been a bit thick and his "family" don't help
HOwever freddie roach seems to be coaching him well
I like bayless too, but he can't officiate every fight
I don't understand why Cortez is getting flak for this fight though. He didn't do anything wrong. He made the proper hand signal to tell the boxers to fight. He had no right or reason to interfere with the two punches that ensued, they were legal punches and Cortez did all that he could do - count the guy out.
As for looking away, it looked like he was signalling to the time keeper to make sure the clock was running again which is quite normal and in any event it had zero impact on what happened.
From what I have seen of him in various interviews I think his main crime is been a bit thick and his "family" don't help
HOwever freddie roach seems to be coaching him well
Amir Khan is a clown. I encountered him a few years back as he was attempting to drive in to Witton Park, in Blackburn, for an Asian music festival.
He was hanging out of the passenger window of a black 4x4, with blacked out windows, shouting "Do you know who I am? You better ******* let me in" at the stewards. He was making a right pleb out of himself and came across as an arrogant ****.
I've seen the entire post match stuff again and I don't think I've ever seen the losing boxer so happy. It appears that he just couldn't help but smile. The sort of smile you get when something fantastic has happened in your life.
I would've thought that a boxer who has just been sucker punched, would be absolutely livid at the result.
Oh well...I guess we shall have to put this boxing match as one of those bizarre incidents.
So, is Pacquaio vs Mayweather on?
I would've thought that a boxer who has just been sucker punched, would be absolutely livid at the result.
Oh well...I guess we shall have to put this boxing match as one of those bizarre incidents.
So, is Pacquaio vs Mayweather on?
My bubble? Don't worry mate, you're more than entitled to post of your experiences.
And, yes.
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all the guys saying the above clearly do not have any clue.
the first punch hit him straight on the chin, it may look like it had no power but you clearly have no clue what power is or how it is achieved.
force = mass multiplied by acceleration
f = m x a (you should have learnt this in basic physics at school)
this is a simple physics equation
the power comes from the acceleration (speed), not the mass. look at how fast the first punch is and it hits the guy square on the chin. i would like to see your reaction being hit by a speeding shot to the chin (it stuns you or KO's you).
he isn't looking at the ref, he got rattled and ended up facing the ref. the 2nd punch came after less than half a second of the first punch (which was a sucker punch), nobody on the planet can recover that quickly from a punch straight to the chin so basically he was stunned for the 0.3 seconds or whatever it was before the second punch came.
now the most effective way to knock a guy out, is that he doesn't see the punch coming, it's not about the power of the punch but how the fighter has braced themselves for it. for example if you see a punch coming, you brace yourself and it doesn't have much effect, if you dont see it coming, it's unexpected and guess what your either KO'd or stunned.
there was nothing dodgy at all apart from the headbutt (i dont know why he did it, made him look like an idiot, possibly due to his age and mayweather taunting him during the fight) and then ortiz trying to hug and make up in the middle of a round (very idiotic, every fighter is told to leave the handshakes and kissing until the fight is over). the punches were legit and although the first set him up the second KO'd him.
i suggest you guys watch below the full clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdPP0TmqKiU
at 3.15
he states "the blow you don't see coming is the one that knocks you out"
that's due to you not being prepared for it. like the sucker punch ortiz was not ready. it also states that the way you throw the punch is > speed but both speed and the way you throw it both count, because effectively without speed there isn't much force but you need force and the unexpected blow. the way you throw it should be straight.
obviously this is a lot to explain to noobies, but i'll let you in on a secret, i boxed for several years and I have had a former world WBC champion come to my home, both punches thrown to Ortiz were legit and the first was enough to shock him and the second was thrown instantly (mayweather took 0.2 seconds to line it up, but it was thrown as soon as it was lined up to hit the guy straight).
first punch (unexpected and fast) = enough to KO usually or severely stun
second punch (straight and fast) = a lot of force and no time to do anything
i have the fight on my pc i have watched the punches frame by frame (both were thrown in less than a second), also Oritz was moving away after the first punch but managed half a step and his arms were already low but they drop, i think this was mainly due to being rocked but with the second punch coming so quick there is not enough time to tell how badly the first hurt him, but the second basically put him to sleep.
i don't believe he had enough time to recover from the first shot and second, there is nothing he could have done, it was over after the first landed. mayweather actually wanted to follow up from the second shot with more, judging by the video but luckily for ortiz the 2nd made him crumble.
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As far I'm concerned Cortez was signalling to fight here and he actually said "let's go". Also, what people to fail to mention here is Ortiz was warned for butting about 40 seconds into round 4 by Cortez. Ortiz deserved all he got.
this is correct, the reason why he is looking away because time had stopped, he was looking to see, how much time was left and if they had restarted the clock.
he signalled for it to start again (clapping of hands) and said "let's go", that means fight on, not go and hug your opponent, it was a legit knock out.
nothing wrong on the ref's part, all Ortiz's fault. also the ref looking away is mainly Ortiz's fault as well, instead of getting on with the fight, he goes into hug when he has already apologised several times, so the referee was checking with the stopwatch or something whilst they hugged after the fight restarted, maybe he should have ignored the guy at the side of the ring and told them to fight "again" but he had restarted it, not his fault they didn't restart straight away, so he looked to the side to confirm something, most likely the time/clock.
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also technically it was never a sucker punch, so to speak.
the guy is in a boxing match, the fight was restarted, he should have been expecting to get hit, it is a fight after all.
it's a bit like running up to Mike Tyson and calling him a ****** and when he punches you calling it a sucker punch? what else did you expect, a thank you?
as far as im concerned there is no such thing as a sucker punch in a boxing match, unless it is thrown after the bell or after the fight has been broken up or stopped or the guy is unconscious.
if i was in mayweather's shoes i would have done the exact same thing.
the first thing i was told from a very early age was
"protect yourself at all times"
and
"never take your eyes off your opponent"
and
"never complain to the referee in the middle of a fight/round just fight on and speak to the ref after"
the guy is in a boxing match, the fight was restarted, he should have been expecting to get hit, it is a fight after all.
it's a bit like running up to Mike Tyson and calling him a ****** and when he punches you calling it a sucker punch? what else did you expect, a thank you?
as far as im concerned there is no such thing as a sucker punch in a boxing match, unless it is thrown after the bell or after the fight has been broken up or stopped or the guy is unconscious.
if i was in mayweather's shoes i would have done the exact same thing.
the first thing i was told from a very early age was
"protect yourself at all times"
and
"never take your eyes off your opponent"
and
"never complain to the referee in the middle of a fight/round just fight on and speak to the ref after"
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LOL
ref not being clear enough?
why don't you take a look at some restarts and tell me what he should have done differently? it was a clear as day restart.
also Ortiz should have been DQ'ed it was a clear attempt at an illegal blow, he didn't even try to hide it or disguise it, he actually lined it up, he pulled both arms down and jumped into him with his head, it was like a flying headbutt.
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