Mayweather vs Ortiz (17th Sept)

[drunkenmaster]

At what point should Mayweather not knock him out though? Should he ask him every time he wants to throw a punch, check he's ready.

No idea what Ortiz was doing, firstly he headbutted him, disgraceful, to that point Ortiz was utterly, utterly dominated, he was landing almost nothing, 22%, while being pummeled by a higher punching rate at 49% accuracy.

He apologised already, the ref said lets go, they tapped gloves, 99% of other times you'll even touch gloves with one glove in protection and basically touch the jabbing gloves. He decided to not protect himself.

Ortiz in the post match interview is lying, Mayweather came forwards really fast and I just leaned in, he jumped, jumped up to headbutt him and Mayweather didn't move, if anything backwards, and he gave him a cut doing it.

Ortiz tried to cheat, regretted it, then was utterly stupid.

The interview, I can understand why Mayweather was pee'd off, he was talking crap, whats he supposed to say, ref said lets go, he went, other guy decided not to. Either way Mayweather likes to play the hated fighter anyway, thats his character, most fighters play a character, thats boxing.

What do people really expect, the ref should stop the fight again because Ortiz wants another hug? It is a shame, and I wish Ortiz would have put his gloves up because frankly the second he did the headbutt I wanted Mayweather to punish him hard over several rounds, mostly because he's awesome to watch. 49% accuracy is nuts, and he made a good boxer drop to 22% because his defence/movement is so god damned good. There was only one outcome, would have been nice to see it go longer, the only inexcusable thing in that fight was the headbutt. I don't think I've ever seen someone launch themselves into a headbutt in boxing before, leaning in, clashing heads is common, but dropping down and launching with power upwards, madness.

 

[semi-pro waster]

Watched the post fight interview and wow, Mayweather comes across as a complete ****.

That's essentially the role that Mayweather has taken in boxing though, whether he's a lovely sweet chap who likes helping old ladies across the road in his spare time for fights he sets himself up as the bad guy. If you mean that post-fight he's usually quite gracious in victory then I'd agree but he was probably feeling a bit less than charitable after the headbutt so did what he needed to, to win, and said about that much. Whether he needed to be quite so rude to Larry Merchant is open for debate but I don't know the full history there.

As for Mayweather needing a "sucker punch" to win - doubtful. There's always a chance of the unexpected happening but it's not a chance I'd be keen to put anything on, he was in control of the fight and quite simply is a superior fighter to pretty much anyone in his division.

 

[Sutters]

Bhop lands about 2 headbutts per round, nobody even cares, just saying. Ortiz should have been less conspicuous and done it again.

 

[jigger]

Mayweather takes another pointless fight. He seems hell bent on cementing himself as the boxing worlds biggest waste of talent.

He's blew any chance of been seen as anything other than a complete bell end that only fights, bums, novices and well over the hill greats.

 

[Setroc]

I don't really like Mayweather but I was happy that he took the Ortiz fight. Obviously the Pac fight would have been better, but that's not happening, so who else is out there? The only other fight I can see is Martinez, and as amazing as that would be you just can't step up through the weight classes like it's nothing, and Martinez aint going to make 147.

 

[sunama]

He's blew any chance of been seen as anything other than a complete bell end that only fights, bums, novices and well over the hill greats.

Wasn't Ortiz the reigning champ?
How can Ortiz be described as a bum, novice or over the hill?

The problem is that because Mayweather is so good, he makes champions look bad when they step into the ring with him. Before facing Mayweather, they come into the ring with a good reputation, but Mayweather finishes them off with apparent ease.

I don't think you can blame Mayweather for his opponents falling apart on the day they step into the ring with him.

 

[thedoc46]

Wasn't Ortiz the reigning champ?
How can Ortiz be described as a bum, novice or over the hill?
The problem is that because Mayweather is so good, he makes champions look bad when they step into the ring with him. Before facing Mayweather, they come into the ring with a good reputation, but Mayweather finishes them off with apparent ease.

I don't think you can blame Mayweather for his opponents falling apart on the day they step into the ring with him.

You can't. Ortiz was a legit young and hungry world champ who has a higher KO rate than any other world champ at this present time. The only real black mark on his record was the Maidana fight, in which he lost all heart. BUT, that was after knocking him out.

I am personally a fan of watching Ortiz fight, I love his hungry come forward way of fighting and after watching the Berto fight which has been fight of the year so far, he was a very legitimate contender to Floyd Mayweather. Mayweather is almost super human, there's no fighter out there that'll be able to take him. He really is the lb for lb best. You maybe thinking the name Pacquiao right now. But I would say Pac-man has only a 1-10 chance. He'll just be punished for coming forward. He'll be too small, and I think we'll see another Marquez vs Mayweather, with Marquez trying everything but just not getting close. I'm glad to see Arum is back on HBO and not Showtime, seeing that putting Pac-man on Showtime, made the fight even further away from becoming reality.

They keep saying they don't need each other. But greed will be winner at the end of the day. Too much money to be made from both parties. Pac-man going in knowing that he'll probably lose, but happy to take the 50mil retirement money. I know I would in his shoes.

 

[sunama]

A US$50M retirement pay-off would look good to anybody.

 

[sigma]

That's essentially the role that Mayweather has taken in boxing though, whether he's a lovely sweet chap who likes helping old ladies across the road in his spare time for fights he sets himself up as the bad guy. If you mean that post-fight he's usually quite gracious in victory then I'd agree but he was probably feeling a bit less than charitable after the headbutt so did what he needed to, to win, and said about that much. Whether he needed to be quite so rude to Larry Merchant is open for debate but I don't know the full history there.

Yeah I see your point although I thought taking it out on Larry seemed a bit uncalled for, then again, I did not know that there was history between them.

As a boxer though, wow, Mayweather is pretty much untouchable. To think Amir Khan would even consider stepping in the ring with him is quite funny, it'd certainly be a fight to watch! Mayweather just makes people look like amateurs! I'm only going by my own judgment but I think he would beat the Pac-man too.

Watching the fight again, it's easy to see how Ortiz was frustrated, he was moving around loads yet getting peppered pretty much all the time whilst hitting thin air or glancing blows.

I want to see Mayweather fight again ASAP but will that happen any time soon?

 

[jigger]

Pacquiao is the only fight Mayweather can take and has been for the last few years. No other fighter around welter can touch Pacquiao or Mayweather and Ortiz is not even in the same league. He is one of the best of a bunch of very average welterweights.

The gulf between Pacquiao and Mayweather and everybody else has become ridiculous. Mayweather is a very talented, but in a lot of respects he is untested and a very clear second to Manny Pacquiao.

 

[sigma]

Amir Khan seems to think otherwise.

"It can. And listen I'm ready to fight [him]. I can see a lot of things in my armoury that would beat Floyd – he will take a lot of shots and he will get beat. Floyd Mayweather is beatable – I think definitely he's beatable. The fight will happen definitely – it'll happen within the next nine months – six to nine months.

Source: The Guardian

 

[sunama]

Mayweather is a very talented, but in a lot of respects he is untested and a very clear second to Manny Pacquiao.

Hang on there.

Hasn't Mayweather fought about 40+ fights?
Are you actually telling me that in 40+ fights, he is untested?
That sounds odd.

 

[jigger]

Hang on there.

Hasn't Mayweather fought about 40+ fights?
Are you actually telling me that in 40+ fights, he is untested?
That sounds odd.

If he keeps fighting to his plan I'm sure he could rack up 80 wins no trouble. That wouldn't make him any better though.

If you look at Mayweathers *Cough* tough fights ( both of them ) he has a lot of weakness that better fighters would have exploited much more effectively.

 

[thedoc46]

I want to see Mayweather fight again ASAP but will that happen any time soon?

The reason Mayweather had such a long layoff was because his uncle Roger was possibly set to do some time, for punching one of his female boxers. That has now been resolved with an out of court settlement. We should see him fight again in March / May next yr. Or at the very latest 12months from now. Opponent TBA

 

[jigger]

The reason Mayweather had such a long layoff was because his uncle Roger was possibly set to do some time, for punching one of his female boxers.

And coincidentally managed to dodge another great fighter. I hear Mayweathers next fight is Kell Brook at the Sheffield arena...

 

[sigma]

You make it sound as though Ortiz was just a nobody.

 

[jigger]

Not nobody, I have a lot of respect for him! But come on really? Ortiz vs Maywaether seriously?

In the scheme of things and comparing him to the greats he's a fighter to be swept aside. In years to come who knows he could be a great.

 

[Setroc]

Ortiz is a bum when compared to the elite fighters around at the moment. beating Berto was a good achievment, but Berto himself had a lot of questions around him. But I'm still glad that Mayweather took this fight because there is no one better if the Pac fight can't be made. And I'd rather Mayweather fought the best available than just sit around fighting no one.

It is a shame though because 5 years ago when PBF joined the welterweight division, it was absolutely packed with talent. You had Margarito, Paul Williams, Shane Mosley and Cotto all ranked at the very top of the P4P charts, all at their peak and all in the same weight class. And who did Floyd fight in that period? The likes of Baldomir, Gatti, Judah and Hatton. All of whom were miles behind the other four I mentioned. How he managed to avoid fighting all of those top fighters - only fighting mosley after he was over the hill - still baffles me.

 

[thedoc46]

Ortiz (highest ko range of any active fighter)
Mosley (coming off a magnificant win over Margarito putting him in the top 4 lb for lb)
Marquez (at the time was ranked no3 1lb for 1lb rankings)
Hatton (undefeated at the time)
De La Hoya

I would say that's a pretty impressive line up. All of which were completely dominated.

 

[sunama]

thedoc...some people will never be happy with what ever Mayweather does.

The great thing about Mayweather is that before the fight, his opponents are highly regarded. Then, he demolishes them in the ring. Then from that point onwards, those highly regarded opponents are looked as chumps.

I believe that he won over 40 fights. With that sort of record, it would be a foolish man to say that Mayweather dodges good opponents. Ortiz afterall, was the reigning champ. So unless the naysayers are suggesting that the belts mean nothing, Ortiz, as reigning champ, was the logical opponent for Mayweather.

What impressed me about the last fight was that Mayweather seems to understand the rules better than anybody else. While the watching pulic and commentators felt that the fight had not restarted, Mayweather knew exactly what he was doing. His killer instinct kicked in big time, when he knocked Ortiz out for being an idiot and dropping his hands like that. A less intelligent fighter would not have realised that the fight was back on.

Mayweather is one of the all-time greats and the best part of it, is that he is still at the peak of his powers...so there is more to come.