AMD Bulldozer Finally!

BAMBI · 2 Oct 2011 at 15:28

Martini1991 said:
Indeed, I'm thinking of going for an FX4100 for a build I'm doing.

I thought the FX4100 was Q1 2012 at the earliest? Or do you have some good news?!

Martini1991 · 2 Oct 2011 at 15:33

BAMBI said:
I thought the FX4100 was Q1 2012 at the earliest? Or do you have some good news?!

FML, didn't realise.
Scratch that idea then.

Fail launch is fail

gareth170 · 2 Oct 2011 at 16:07

sunama said:
The AMD fanboys in this thread are already making excuses for BD

why bring that in to it

if some people prefer amd or intel hardware for whatever reason, so what, thats they choose.

it's so stupid calling people fanboys...

it's like saying if someone likes a brand of beens , you wouldn't call that person a fanboy. would u???

gurusan · 2 Oct 2011 at 16:39

If those beans taste worse, are not as nutritious, contain less for the money, and you buy them because of a dewey eyed love for the company then yes, you'd be a fanboy.

gareth170 · 2 Oct 2011 at 16:45

gurusan said:
If those beans taste worse, are not as nutritious, contain less for the money, and you buy them because of a dewey eyed love for the company then yes, you'd be a fanboy.

everybody has different taste tho, the beans may taste fine/great to some people and maybe not to others...

everybody IS different

mikeo · 2 Oct 2011 at 17:17

Must admit that I wish AMD would just get their finger out and release the damn things... before this thread gets so big it implodes causing a black hole that then rips a hole in the space time continuum!

Think I must have had one to many beers at lunchtime!

Mollari · 2 Oct 2011 at 17:26

gurusan said:
If those beans taste worse, are not as nutritious, contain less for the money, and you buy them because of a dewey eyed love for the company then yes, you'd be a fanboy.

And theres a reason why I just cant support Intel anymore, and it isnt fanboyism. Im boycotting Intel and that is totally different matter. Theres plenty of info available for everyone about what Intel has done and on what its success is based on. And this is where its getting ugly. Knowing what I know, I just cant buy anything "Intel inside" anymore.

My first cpu was Intel (in 1995 there wasnt many options) and had only two AMD cpus since then. On the other hand Ive seen BF3 beta gameplay on 3,6ghz 4- core Phenom II /gtx 570 and it was looking really good. For the price, its still one nice and well behaving cpu. My guess is, these new Bulldozers are going to be much better though.

Predicament · 2 Oct 2011 at 18:05

This thread as nearly 400,000 views...
[a good 30 or 40 views from Predicament, checking the status of dozer]
BULLDOZER hurry up!

Sayso · 2 Oct 2011 at 19:12

Ive been checking daily since it went up

AndrewNR · 2 Oct 2011 at 19:32

everybody has different taste tho, the beans may taste fine/great to some people and maybe not to others...

everybody IS different

Pretty strange to compare beans with something that just deciphers electrical current into 0's and 1's.

gurusan · 2 Oct 2011 at 19:38

gareth170 said:
everybody has different taste tho, the beans may taste fine/great to some people and maybe not to others...

everybody IS different

Really no idea where you are going with this one.....pretty loony if you ask me.

Taste is a subjective thing, processor performance is not.

drunkenmaster · 2 Oct 2011 at 19:44

sunama said:
I don't think there is any danger of that.

The AMD fanboys in this thread are already making excuses for BD and are now beginning to look towards the next generation of AMD's architecture. What they don't seem to understand is that by the time AMD has their new CPU out, Intel will also have something new out, which will undoubtedly be faster than AMD's latest.

Personally, I think AMD's new CPU is a damp squib and is nothing major. The only good thing about it, is that competition for Intel will keep CPU prices realistic. Without AMD, Intel could basically charge whatever they wanted for their CPUs.

At present, Bulldozer is nothing more than vapour-ware and I wouldn't be surprised if the BD cpu didn't hit retail channels till December/January.

For enthusiasts looking for the fastest CPU available, I can only see Intel as being the viable option, for at least the next 6-12 months.

Everything you said is beyond wrong, its stupid.

You say people are making excuses and looking to the next generation, then pointing out Intel's next generation will be faster.

Heres a hint, thats always the case, thats why some people are excited about Ivybridge aswell.

This is ACTUALLY whats being said, Bulldozer IS out this month, its not having excuses made for it, its faster than a 2500k and slower than 2600k in some stuff, probably faster than it in others, no one knows quite how much. Its FACT that the latest bios's, microcode IS faster than the older ones, what benchmarks are done on the new or old no one knows, its pro Intel guys that automatically assume the worst, I have assumed neither, its already fairly good, it WON'T get slower, it COULD get faster.

As for the next generation everyone knows exactly what this is for Ivy, and its been mentioned MANY times, Ivybridge is a circa 5% clock for clock increase, with a roughly 5% clock increase, it will be 10% faster than Sandy, last minute pushing clocks higher if AMD are competitive, maybe another 5% clocks, even then, thats just going to take away from the overclock so who cares.

Anyway, anyone that knows whats going on knows Ivy is around mid next year, its no more than 10% faster basically, Haswell isn't till a year after that, basically 2 years from now, Intel has NO significant changes between now and then, AMD has at least one new architecture, but its fairly minor and another major update due around the same time as Haswell.

The leaks are putting AMD within 5% of a 2600k, they are currently 30-40% down, Intel and AMD are both planning a roughly 10% bump next year, meaning AMD has spent the previous 3-4 years, anywhere from 20-50% down in performance on Intel, for the next two years they should be within 5%, maybe even pulling ahead with Piledriver next year.

SO, no one is ignoring Ivybridge, you're ignoring we all know how it will perform, from Intel's own mouths. You're ignoring the potential for speed increases, and that AMD's architecture has FAR more room for tweaking than Intel's at the moment.

AMD and Intel are going on die gpu, Llano is already insanely competitive with Sandybridge in APU's, when factoring in gpu benchmarks and acceleration of aps on GPU, Llano is already ahead, Trinity will INCREASE this lead, and again Intel has nothing new till Haswell, and Ivybridge won't close the gap on Trinity on the gpu, not even close.

Then we've got the rubbish about prices, Passmark lists the x1090t as the best value chip for the performance, Sandybridge is right behind it, the ONLY reason the 2500k is priced where it is, is because of AMD's pricing on the hexcore phenom. Intel's prices are already 100% down to AMD's prices. AMD's prices when their chips improve in speed to be closer, will simply get closer to Intel pricing, not vice versa.

Martini1991 · 2 Oct 2011 at 19:48

The 8150 is only in between the 2500k and 2600k in app's that make use of the "cores/threads" the same as the 1100T was before it, BD 8150 just gets closer to the 2600k.
In the real world, the 2500k will obliterate it, same as with Thuban.

But you're going to put an AMD spin on it, you always do.

Mollari · 2 Oct 2011 at 19:57

drunkenmaster said:
SO, no one is ignoring Ivybridge, you're ignoring we all know how it will perform, from Intel's own mouths. You're ignoring the potential for speed increases, and that AMD's architecture has FAR more room for tweaking than Intel's at the moment.

This is true. Now AMD has taken the necessary steps.

Martini1991 · 2 Oct 2011 at 21:06

We want AMD to perform in all situations, not the minority of situations, which is exactly what only competing with the 2600k in 8 threaded app's is ; The minority.

LeJosh · 2 Oct 2011 at 21:11

Is BD performing worse in games?

Martini1991 · 2 Oct 2011 at 21:15

LeJosh said:
Is BD performing worse in games?

We don't know yet, that's the thing.
You get so much conflictual talk regarding CPU's and games.

Having gone from a hex @ 4.375GHZ to my 2500k, my frames are a lot more consistent, and this has been stated by a lot of people who've done similar stuff from Phenom II to SB.

If BD is around the same IPC performance, (ignoring OC's for now) then it's going to be the same as usual for games, but only if you were to compare the FX4100 with a Phenom II X4, as the 8150 will get a massive turbo boost.

LeJosh · 2 Oct 2011 at 21:18

Minimums are usually my main concern.

They're more important imo.

FrenchTart · 2 Oct 2011 at 21:40

Martini1991 said:
We don't know yet, that's the thing.
You get so much conflictual talk regarding CPU's and games.

Having gone from a hex @ 4.375GHZ to my 2500k, my frames are a lot more consistent, and this has been stated by a lot of people who've done similar stuff from Phenom II to SB.

If BD is around the same IPC performance, (ignoring OC's for now) then it's going to be the same as usual for games, but only if you were to compare the FX4100 with a Phenom II X4, as the 8150 will get a massive turbo boost.

Similar here but in my case it was a 1055T at 3.8 to a 2500k at 4.6 so I guess it's not too shocking.

Martini1991 · 2 Oct 2011 at 21:45

FrenchTart said:
Similar here but in my case it was a 1055T at 3.8 to a 2500k at 4.6 so I guess it's not too shocking.

Not really, it proves that throwing cores isn't a solution to lower IPC.