what do you think happened to meredith Kercher

muon · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:31

gambitt said:
Why should they? I said possible. It's not definite and it cannot be proved without witnesses or other meaningful evidence.

One possibility (please note this time: possible) is that they were witnesses to the murder but were threatened by Guede (and a possible accomplice) and were in fear of their lives. The point is, you can't convict someone based on conjecture, or because they act a bit odd.

The prosecution put forward a case of "the sex game gone wrong" scenario - that was disproved, therefore the defence wins.

Your posts have been pretty much saying that they were innocent. I'm saying the evidence says otherwise even if you can't convict for murder.

You are having to postulate unrealistic scenarios to explain their actions.

I am saying it is more likely they are guilty of participating or covering up the murder, and are simply staying quiet, due to lack of evidence for a "beyond all doubt" conviction.

IIDeathCubeKII · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:34

They have been freed! Crazy

TaKeN · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:35

gambitt · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:35

ghost101 said:
Your posts have been pretty much saying that they were innocent.

But it seems I was right

ghost101 said:
You are having to postulate unrealistic scenarios to explain their actions.

As unrealistic as the official scenarios of "4-way sex games with an African drifter" or "satanic rituals by a she-devil"...

Anyway, it's past my bedtime. Good result today - it's restored my faith in humanity a little

compboyo · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:36

so what was the cartwheels all about?

she done cartwheels in a police station, guilty or not she is a flippin fruitcake

muon · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:39

gambitt said:
But it seems I was right

No... you don't know. Innocent until proven guilty is not logic. It is simply a legal right.

As unrealistic as the official scenarios of "4-way sex games with an African drifter" or "satanic rituals by a she-devil"...

Anyway, it's past my bedtime. Good result today - it's restored my faith in humanity a little

Satanic rituals? You do not need to provide a motive to suggest they are guilty of participating or covering up a murder. It helps when you have evidence not good enough for a conviction (ie desperate prosecutors), but not necessary.

gambitt · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:43

ghost101 said:
Satanic rituals? You do not need to provide a motive to suggest they are guilty of participating or covering up a murder. It helps when you have evidence not good enough for a conviction (ie desperate prosecutors), but not necessary.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4968044.ece

Raymond Lin · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:45

gambitt said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4968044.ece

Do you not think if she did that there would be DNA evidence galore?!

muon · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:49

Raymond Lin said:
Do you not think if she did that there would be DNA evidence galore?!

Well with hindsight its pretty stupid the prosecutors ran with that story.

Doesn't rule out guilt.

gambitt · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:52

ghost101 said:
Doesn't rule out guilt.

Why don't you tell us what you think actually happened. I'll read it in the morning

dowie · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:53

Well I think one thing we can conclude from this is that Italian police are a bit inept...

The 'interrogation' without a lawyer and botched collection of DNA evidence certainly didn't help things in this trial.

muon · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:53

gambitt said:
Why don't you tell us what you think actually happened. I'll read it in the morning

See that's the problem. You want a detailed description as to what happened as otherwise she is innocent beyond any doubt.

gambitt · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:53

That was much shorter than I was expecting

muon · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:55

gambitt said:
That was much shorter than I was expecting

I cannot say they are guilty, just as you can't say they are innocent.

Unless they properly explain their actions (which they didn't in the case from what I've read), I will always doubt any innocence.

gambitt · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:55

Why don't you give it a stab?

"oh no he didn't!"

muon · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:56

gambitt said:
Why don't you give it a stab?

"oh no he didn't!"

No thanks. I'll leave the creating unrealistic scenarios to show either position to you.

gambitt · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:57

Christ, you should change your name to Captain Ninja Edit.

muon · 3 Oct 2011 at 23:58

gambitt said:
Christ, you should change your name to Captain Ninja Edit.

I only added the second sentence. :confused:

No edit was made.

gambitt · 4 Oct 2011 at 00:00

I'm talking about all your posts. I even saw a double ninja edit on page 2! :eek:

muon · 4 Oct 2011 at 00:01

gambitt said:
I'm talking about all your posts. I even saw a double ninja edit on page 2!

Can't remember. But I was probably adding stuff rather than making consecutive posts.