Indeed. Don't want to work for the package you signed up to work for? Well **** off then, there are three million odd people out there who will.
Striking and the courts
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Indeed. Don't want to work for the package you signed up to work for? Well **** off then, there are three million odd people out there who will.
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Not really; I knew exactly what RDM was saying . . . i.e. the Tories don't have a mandate to privatise the NHS or raise Student University fees to £9,000
So far as I am aware, neither the Tube or BA is a closed shop? Are closed shops even legal any longer?
I guess that those people who don't bother to vote and don't agree with those who do vote to strike could always leave the Union, stop paying their subs and strike break
The tube driver strikes are getting silly. If I was their employer, I would be looking at getting automated trains set up pronto. The people of London need a regular service, not one which holds the capital to ransom in order to throw its toys out the pram.
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But what happens if they change the package you signed up for, what happens if they say we'll pay you less, for more hours with worse shifts and pay more into your pension for longer for less back?
Do you just say fine and bendover?
It's amazing isn't it? People on here practically worship the likes of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Richard Branson for using every tool at their disposal to increase their personal wealth. When the little guy does it they become worse than Hitler. Given that most people on here are not rich, and will never be rich it's almost as if they like being poor with no prospects of improving. It's a form of masochism imo.
I'd get another job. If I couldn't find another job with similar pay and conditions, then I was being overpaid in the first place and I'd count myself lucky for getting away with it.
I dislike the unfairness of the current employment laws, there has been much done to protect employees from unscrupulous employers, but the law still protects unscrupulous groups of employees trying to blackmail employers.
I think you might be confusing the laws in this country with some other ones? Probably imaginary ones.
M
So militant unions can't call a strike on a tiny proportion of their members, claim legitimacy, cost the company/the wider economy large amounts of money and not be liable for a thing?
Really?
So all the public sector strikes of recent years haven't happened? The Tube strikes, strikes in the DWP and so on?
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That doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it e.g.
You are currently a firefighter. You don't like the current pay and conditions so you look for another job and find a job as a street sweeper. Obviously this will not have the same pay and conditions as a firefighter as the jobs are not comparable in the slightest.
"Of course I meant a comparable job" I hear you say.... Well, ok, I'll play along:
You are currently a firefighter. You don't like the current pay and conditions so you look for another job and find that there is no other comparable jobs to being a firefighter.
Really? So because I cannot move to a comparable job with similar pay/conditions (as there isn't one in this case) I should thank myself lucky?
What !?
That doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it e.g.
You are currently a firefighter. You don't like the current pay and conditions so you look for another job and find a job as a street sweeper. Obviously this will not have the same pay and conditions as a firefighter as the jobs are not comparable in the slightest.
"Of course I meant a comparable job" I hear you say.... Well, ok, I'll play along:
You are currently a firefighter. You don't like the current pay and conditions so you look for another job and find that there is no other comparable jobs to being a firefighter.
Really? So because I cannot move to a comparable job with similar pay/conditions (as there isn't one in this case) I should thank myself lucky?
So what needs to be done is the current state national monopoly broken, as it needs to be in other areas such as healthcare. Get a working job market in place rather than a single employer/single set of terms with no alternative.
Never heard such nonsense in my life.
See, others can make bold statements without backing it up with and actual argument....
Define "tiny proportion"? Because if it really was tiny it would be a tad embarrassing when no-one actually came out on strike. I assume you're about to launch your "majority of voters not majority of those who vote" thing again? I'm happy to agree, as long as we can apply the same rule to all ballots, without exception. General elections, local elections, votes to the board, etc etc etc. Otherwise I'll just assume that you're anti-union.
M
Lol. Wanna work for me?
Nice little race to the bottom you would create there. Retail for example, everyone pays roughly the same, one choice is much like the other.
Without Collective bargaining many occupations would never see any increases or improvements in their terms and conditions, it is easy for you and I, with our specific skills and experience to negotiate individually, but that is not true of many other occupations or workforces.
You must see that?
And where, pray tell, this money should come from? Or are you thinking, a bit of extra debt won`t make much of a difference right?
Who said anything about increasing debt.
I am referring to collective bargaining as a Process. Collective Bargaining is not just about wage demands anyway.
Read the thread.
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