AMD Bulldozer Finally!

mjones1 · 9 Oct 2011 at 16:34

crackerman said:
I know I'm feeling a bit of a mug right now

Hopefully by some miracle there will be a BIOS release that somehow changes things. Somehow I dont think so though.

I never really saw why people ran out and bought one, i only opted for a my 990fx ud3 since my old amd3 board died.

Owenb · 9 Oct 2011 at 16:42

It should be no surprise that AMD won't be very competitive. Why?

The whole design screams out that it's not for the PC enthusiast. We still want 4 fast cores, not 8 average cores.
Resources - Intel have them, AMD don't.
Similar to the last point. AMD are now fab'less and are further behind than ever in process tech and it's only going to get worse for GF. Might be better of taking their money to TSMC in the hope that they can close the gap to Intel.
Everything we have heard for the last 5 years about BD has been bad news. Ex-staff, leaks etc have all said that it wasn't going to be enough to make AMD competitive.

Quicken · 9 Oct 2011 at 16:45

For the money £215 - £230 The "8" Core 8150 is going to be really popular!. I can't see me upgrading for the next 5 years after this, especially if it clocks to 5!.

Hades · 9 Oct 2011 at 17:10

Quicken said:
For the money £215 - £230 The "8" Core 8150 is going to be really popular!. I can't see me upgrading for the next 5 years after this, especially if it clocks to 5!.

They will be great for people running virtualised environments.

gareth170 · 9 Oct 2011 at 17:13

i just looked to see if it's worth me acrossing over to intel but will cost me £398.98 for a motherboard with smaller specs to my amd board + a 2600k.

DragonQ · 9 Oct 2011 at 17:16

Martini1991 said:
The top model is at least 200, the 8120 is priced against the 2500k

All the FX CPUs are unlocked though and as far as we know there's no difference between the 8120 and 8150 except clock speed. So unless the 8150 is uber-binned, you can basically get a top-notch FX for a bit more than an i5-2500K. You can't do that with Intel because there's only one top-end Sandy Bridge CPU (i7-2600K) and it'll probably disappear once the i7-2700K appears.

Loving all the talk of BIOS updates. Has anyone ever actually heard of a BIOS update that brought significant (or even any) performance increases? I certainly haven't. A few minor optimisations are not going to save FX now.

scrlk · 9 Oct 2011 at 17:24

opethdisciple said:
Maybe AMD are doing the only thing they can do to compete with Intel.

They cant go toe to toe with intel on IPC (why I dont know, just reverse engineer) so they are saying ok, the vast majority of pc buyers dont know anything about ipc but when they see '8 cores' they will be wow'ed so thats the avenue we will chase.

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I hope im wrong. Becuase if I was to upgrade from my current quad, I would like to go next gen and that is 8 cores.

But im also now thinking, my current pc, is sufficient for the games coming out in the near future, and I should really wait for a pcix3 mobo, so at least Im set up for next gen gpu's when they are out.

In other words I may skip BD, and see what happens after.

AMD used to do that until the 90's until product release cycles shortened and became less viable. If AMD released a clean room reversed engineer 2600K (for example), I would not be surprised if it took 4-5 years to even arrive, not to mention the fact that Intel love suing AMD at any opportunity.

Firegod · 9 Oct 2011 at 17:42

Sorry to ask again, but are we to expect any meaningfull /legit benchmarks soon?

sunama · 9 Oct 2011 at 17:52

Sayso said:
The thing is its been built up so much by some members on here as a sandy killer, which it was never going to do.

This is the major problem for many people. They just don't want to come to terms with the fact, that maybe, it won't be as fast as 2500k/2600k.

Once AMD delayed the release date by some 6 months (I think), it was pretty clear that they were struggling. This put them on the back foot. For them to recover after this delay, is going to be very tough.

Martini1991 · 9 Oct 2011 at 17:55

DragonQ said:
All the FX CPUs are unlocked though and as far as we know there's no difference between the 8120 and 8150 except clock speed. So unless the 8150 is uber-binned, you can basically get a top-notch FX for a bit more than an i5-2500K. You can't do that with Intel because there's only one top-end Sandy Bridge CPU (i7-2600K) and it'll probably disappear once the i7-2700K appears.

Loving all the talk of BIOS updates. Has anyone ever actually heard of a BIOS update that brought significant (or even any) performance increases? I certainly haven't. A few minor optimisations are not going to save FX now.

Exactly, which is why I said "How often do you update your GPU's BIOS"

gareth170 said:
i just looked to see if it's worth me acrossing over to intel but will cost me £398.98 for a motherboard with smaller specs to my amd board + a 2600k.

The thing is, what money have you spent investing in AM3+ and then going for the 8150? And before that the UD7 AM3+ you had.

MichaelM · 9 Oct 2011 at 18:04

gareth170 said:
i just looked to see if it's worth me acrossing over to intel but will cost me £398.98 for a motherboard with smaller specs to my amd board + a 2600k.

The MSI Z68A-GD80-G3 looks good to me for going from a CHIV from what I've seen so far. I will wait until I know which company I'm going with before I look closer at the motherboards.

~>Dg<~ · 9 Oct 2011 at 18:09

well from what i been looking at i can have a 100 quid mobo a amd cpu about 210 and mem if amd or a ocuk sand bridge overclock bundle at 4.4ghz

so its looking about same price for a 2500k vs amd bd set up. will just wait for benchmarks now not nonsense

gareth170 · 9 Oct 2011 at 18:09

Martini1991 said:
The thing is, what money have you spent investing in AM3+ and then going for the 8150? And before that the UD7 AM3+ you had.

i sent the gigabyte am3+ ud5 back and i bought the ch V due to the bios being able to control it by mouse also being able to use all my cards in it and able to still use my 1090t in it... BD was just a bonus.

Martini1991 · 9 Oct 2011 at 18:13

gareth170 said:
i sent the gigabyte am3+ ud5 back and i bought the ch V due to the bios being able to control it by mouse also being able to use all my cards in it and able to still use my 1090t in it... BD was just a bonus.

But still, after BD, you'll have spent like 370.
Only like 30 quid less than the SB set up.

~>Dg<~ · 9 Oct 2011 at 18:18

what if bd is faster you swopping back martini

Martini1991 · 9 Oct 2011 at 18:19

~>Dg<~ said:
what if bd is faster you swopping back martini

Nope.
Because it's not going to be faster for what I do ; Gaming.
Also, emulation is much better on the 2500k than it would be an 8150.

gareth170 · 9 Oct 2011 at 18:21

Martini1991 said:
But still, after BD, you'll have spent like 370.
Only like 30 quid less than the SB set up.

thats IF i get a 8150

but my point is i didn't buy the CH V for bd. BD is just a bonus if any good

Martini1991 · 9 Oct 2011 at 18:23

gareth170 said:
thats IF i get a 8150

but my point is i didn't buy the CH V for bd. BD is just a bonus if any good

But you were trying to make a point about Intel being expensive weren't you?
And so you went from an AM3 board to an AM3+ board for what reason? Don't tell me it wasn't for Bulldozer, and don't say it was for mouse control BIOS as Intel already had that.

EDIT : Not trying to be mean, just, if you're making a point about Intel being expensive, you're doing it wrong

gareth170 · 9 Oct 2011 at 18:28

Martini1991 said:
But you were trying to make a point about Intel being expensive weren't you?

no!

Martini1991 said:
And so you went from an AM3 board to an AM3+ board for what reason?

i've already said, i bought the ch V due to the bios being able to control it by mouse also being able to use all my cards in it and able to still use my 1090t in it... BD was just a bonus.

Martini1991 · 9 Oct 2011 at 18:30

Fair enough.
I thought you were deffo getting the 8150 like.
Although I meant why go AM3+ over your AM3 CPU if BD was just a bonus of AM3+, as your first board never had mouse controlled BIOS.