AMD Bulldozer Finally!

tommybhoy · 11 Oct 2011 at 16:40

@DG

'Overclocking your Core i7 processor is not going to help deliver more performance in Battlefield 3 according to our test using a single GeForce GTX 580 card. We observed that a 49% increase in clock speed for the Core i7 allowed for a mere 6% increase in frame rates.'

http://www.techspot.com/review/448-battlefield-3-beta-performance/page7.html

Final8y · 11 Oct 2011 at 16:45

Martini1991 said:
6990 at 4x

The 6990 is not the important point, everything else he said is, people are GPU bottlenecked most of the time, so there would be little difference for most people pending on the game and of course 3.0 in the future.

And yes the 6990 was tested in the x4 slot as well as the others, so at least we know and is not as bad as i thought it would be.

d_brennen · 11 Oct 2011 at 16:45

So a PII X6 is mixing it up with i5/i7 SB systems in BF3? Is this down to Frostbite 2 utilising more than a couple of threads?

Edit: I guess there is no benchmark tool for BF3 other than Frapsing some unpredictable and unrepeatable battlefield antics?

mmj_uk · 11 Oct 2011 at 16:47

It's because it's bottlenecked by the GPU, that's why games are generally not a good tool to measure CPU performance.

If they benchmarked at 640*480 with low detail the faster CPU's would deliver higher frame-rates.

Martini1991 · 11 Oct 2011 at 16:51

Tomorrow's going to be a disappointment, I will quote this tomorrow.

grandmaster · 11 Oct 2011 at 16:52

So what those benchmarks are saying, is that, with BF3, Intel SB are rubbish as opposed to old AMD CPU's.

Lets face it, people are wanting a new CPU mostly for gaming, mostly for BF3.

AMD - 1
Intel - 0

Martini1991 · 11 Oct 2011 at 16:53

That BF3 beta thing could all come under margin of error, it's GPU bottlenecked.

grandmaster · 11 Oct 2011 at 16:54

Martini1991 said:
Tomorrow's going to be a disappointment, I will quote this tomorrow.

On what grounds?
You wont be able to perform in bed???
(Joke)

Seriously though, what will be disappointing. Just make a list so we can quote unquote aswell

Otherwise you can revel in your glory as everyone were wrong and your list of disappointments (in bullet form) youre about to post, comes true!

EDIT - How do you know its GPU bottlenecked? Are we saying the people who did them do not know about bottlenecking or never took that under consideration? Are you sure its bottlenecked? Have you checked their specs and ran the test yourself to see that the GPU is in fact, bottlenecking?

Even if it is bottlenecked, that means everyone who runs a system like that will be bottlenecking anyway, therefore making that argument redundant.

Andy__C · 11 Oct 2011 at 16:55

Martini1991 said:
If Bulldozer doesn't launch tomorrow, it's because all the rumours of crappy performance are true and they've delayed it, which doesn't make a great amount of sense.

I can't see how delaying it will somehow turn the chip that has already shipped to retailers into a better product. Fine wine this ain't.

I would imagine delays are all down to stock/production problems.

Martini1991 · 11 Oct 2011 at 16:56

grandmaster said:
On what grounds?
You wont be able to perform in bed???
(Joke)

Seriously though, what will be disappointing. Just make a list so we can quote unquote aswell

Otherwise you can revel in your glory as everyone were wrong and your list which your list of disappointments in bullet form youre about to post, comes true!

Not saying on what grounds.

Andy__C said:
I can't see how delaying it will somehow turn the chip that has already shipped to retailers into a better product. Fine wine this ain't.

I would imagine delays are all down to stock/production problems.

Nail on head.

lollyhayes · 11 Oct 2011 at 17:01

grandmaster said:
On what grounds?
You wont be able to perform in bed???
(Joke)

Seriously though, what will be disappointing. Just make a list so we can quote unquote aswell

Otherwise you can revel in your glory as everyone were wrong and your list of disappointments (in bullet form) youre about to post, comes true!

EDIT - How do you know its GPU bottlenecked? Are we saying the people who did them do not know about bottlenecking or never took that under consideration? Are you sure its bottlenecked? Have you checked their specs and ran the test yourself to see that the GPU is in fact, bottlenecking?

Even if it is bottlenecked, that means everyone who runs a system like that will be bottlenecking anyway, therefore making that argument redundant.

Its clearly bottlenecked. Unless your implying that a 400mhz overclock has no performance increase...

Martini1991 · 11 Oct 2011 at 17:02

lollyhayes said:
Its clearly bottlenecked. Unless your implying that a 400mhz overclock has no performance increase...

Thank you.
The guy's just a complete troll

lollyhayes · 11 Oct 2011 at 17:06

I agree that we have no evidence to prove otherwise, but you are clearly warping the arguement they are making.
I suggest you look to see if there is a difference between 580 and SLI580's and then tell us the SINGLE GTX580 is not the bottleneck...

grandmaster · 11 Oct 2011 at 17:07

People who do not conform to your trepid thought are trolls? Err nuh.

Maybe the game isnt as CPU demanding? Overclocking to the moon wont make a difference on Frames. It is not clearly bottlenecked unless you can say IN FACT that it is.

Yes i am implying that a 600mhz overclock doesnt have a performance increase in BF3 from a iSB chip.

Speculating it doesnt make it fact. Simple.

Martini1991 · 11 Oct 2011 at 17:12

grandmaster said:
People who do not conform to your trepid thought are trolls? Err nuh.

Maybe the game isnt as CPU demanding? Overclocking to the moon wont make a difference on Frames. It is not clearly bottlenecked unless you can say IN FACT that it is.

Yes i am implying that a 600mhz overclock doesnt have a performance increase in BF3 from a iSB chip.

Speculating it doesnt make it fact. Simple.

Nope, people who aren't making sense are.
The GTX580 is the bottleneck in that BF3 result, the same way an 9600GT would be and show the same result on every CPU used (Pretty much, until you hit a CPU bottleneck)
That is simply fact. The SB 2500K can push more frames than a Phenom II, that is fact, however since the GTX580 isn't able to push it past the limits of the CPU you hit the bottleneck, which is in this case, the GTX580.

FoxEye · 11 Oct 2011 at 17:14

grandmaster said:
People who do not conform to your trepid thought are trolls? Err nuh.

Maybe the game isnt as CPU demanding? Overclocking to the moon wont make a difference on Frames. It is not clearly bottlenecked unless you can say IN FACT that it is.

Yes i am implying that a 600mhz overclock doesnt have a performance increase in BF3 from a iSB chip.

Speculating it doesnt make it fact. Simple.

If it wasn't bottlenecked AND it wasn't frame limited, you would get more FPS.

Even if those frames were identical (ie, no scene changes), you would get more FPS.

It's either GPU bottlenecked or frame limited.

CmJared · 11 Oct 2011 at 17:15

I'm sure AMD fanboys will buy it because they would rather have an inferior product than go blue.

lollyhayes · 11 Oct 2011 at 17:15

Do i really have to go to the effort of running my rig as:

4.0ghz 2500k 1x6950
4.0ghz 2500k 2x6950

4.8ghz 2500k 1x6950
4.8ghz 2500k 2x6950

to prove to you that a single 580 is limiting the game more than cpu having limited performance increases at higher clocks?

grandmaster · 11 Oct 2011 at 17:20

Heres a fact for you. According to the benchmarks, In BF3 Beta, a GTX 580, with an AMD X4, pishes more frames, than an I5 2500k or a I7 2600k overclocked.

grandmaster · 11 Oct 2011 at 17:21

Are you saying an SLi setup would make the Intel stand far out from the AMD benchmarks?