A take on feminism [Cartoon strip] - Is this a reality or not?

[kylew]

Feminism doesn't mean female dominance though, feminism is just about righting the wrongs of male dominance and making it equal.

But it's still about equality. I don't deny that there is a "problem" of male dominance, but not all men are like that, not by a long stretch. Which is why I think it's counter productive to call it feminism.

Exactly, and in doing so does what, is it a circle jerk highlighting how dumb these people who think this way are? Is it a shot at all feminists? Is it an attempt at humour? I see no purpose to it, because it either fails to do anything or does something which is redundant.

It's very clear it's not a shot at all feminists, for the reasons I pointed out before. It's making fun of the people who are extreme feminists, who think or at least act like they're "fighting" for equality, while everything they say and do is about how evil men are and how they want to segregate themselves with things like women's studies.

 

[Angilion]

That comic sounds just like the feminists they have on the radio now and then. I have never actually talked properly to a real feminist about feminism though. Probably a good thing.

It varies wildly.

Many feminists have little or no sexism on a personal level, despite following an absolutely sexist ideology. It's bizarre, but they genuinely don't make the connection between men they know and men in general. They think completely differently on a personal level and on a social/political level. Then you get those who genuinely believe that constant sexism is the best way to get to sexual equality, which genuinely is their goal. I used to fall into that group.

From there, you get the rest of the spectrum of anti-male sexism, right up to and including the very extremes of misandry. You can find feminists who want to enact the final solution to the male problem. The "moderates" amongst them would merely prevent any male people being born, thus phasing out maleness within a generation, but there are those who want massacres as soon as possible, preferably with lots of blood and torture.

But they're all sexist. It's impossible to be a feminist without being profoundly sexist, since it requires defining people by their sex and judging them by sexist stereotyping, as the first step in everything.

 

[Angilion]

I imagine institutionalised genocide and the murder of any secret illegal male child would equal a hellish society regardless of your gender.

Given that Hurfdurf was talking about a hypothetical universe that they made themselves for the purpose of experiment, I suggest that it would be more ethical to make one in which all humans were female and reproduction was handled in some other manner. Parthenogenisis exists in some animals. I've no idea if it could work in something as complex as a human, but since this is a thought experiment that doesn't really matter.

 

[Angilion]

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I'm pretty sure the attitude to women and working changed due to the second world war, where with nearly all the men of working age being out of the country, there was no other choice other than to have the women working in the factories and everything else. The idea before that was that women weren't capable of doing the job a man does, it was proven wrong there and then.

A minor quibble - that happened to a significant extent during the first world war. Not so large a scale, but large enough to strongly undermine the idea you refer to.

The idea you refer to was being questioned long before then, too. There was a tendency towards holding reasoning and rationality (and technological progress) in high esteem, at least amongst well educated people. Since it's irrational to think that someone can't do a job that they can do, the idea had to be rejected by people who considered rationality a virtue. Hence, for example, people like Sophie Germaine, Caroline Herschel and Mary Somerville, around the beginning of the 19th century. They each had difficulties from some aspects of the establishment (Sophie Germaine in particular), but they were each accepted without a quibble by their peers because they could do the job.

So I think it was a gradual change with WW2 providing the decisive finish, rather than all due to WW2.

 

[Angilion]

I think that the cartoon also illustrates (perhaps intentionally, perhaps not) another point, namely that irrational prejudice is very likely to cause irrational prejudice (e.g. the irrational prejudice in the man's final response to the women's irrational prejudice). Equality isn't just the fairest route to equality - it's the only one.

If you want sexism, choose feminism or masculism. Either will do, as they cause each other.

If you want sexual equality, choose sexual equality.

 

[TommyV]

I think that the cartoon also illustrates (perhaps intentionally, perhaps not) another point, namely that irrational prejudice is very likely to cause irrational prejudice (e.g. the irrational prejudice in the man's final response to the women's irrational prejudice). Equality isn't just the fairest route to equality - it's the only one.

If you want sexism, choose feminism or masculism. Either will do, as they cause each other.

If you want sexual equality, choose sexual equality.

[troll]masculism.

So long as I got my sammich just the way I like it (and prepared by a female), nothing else matters[/troll]

 

[AeoNGriM]

The image is large so will not embed it, what are the GD's thoughts?

Contains a couple of swear words in the last part as part of the strip, apologies if this breaks any rules.

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I read it, will post my thoughts a little later!

I'm a little disappointed......I expected the last window to be RageGuy shouting FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

 

[Dirk]

Feminists, ugly women who wish to be treated like pretty women.

That's the only take on the subject that counts!

 

[shoes]

Feminists, ugly women who wish to be treated like pretty women.

That's the only take on the subject that counts!

And post of the day goes to.....

 

[Pate]

Feminists are the biggest enemy to women. Studies have shown that western women are more and more unhappy in this society then their grandmothers/great grandmothers were.

Stopped reading there. Absolute horse ****.

Feminists, ugly women who wish to be treated like pretty women.

That's the only take on the subject that counts!

Oh dear.