Anti-foreigner protest march!

regulus · 15 Oct 2011 at 14:27

KatanaDV20 said:
Thing is - at the end of it all we're all on the same small planet

Exactly. Sadly most of the world is still helplessly flapping around the primordial ooze of social evolution so you'll always have ... well. A town like Boston.

Castiel · 15 Oct 2011 at 14:27

Freakbro said:
If I read correctly the lad hasn't even done his gcse's yet, so you could ease up with some of the intellectual stick bashing. But I will try to answer your questions.
Because there is plenty of land/factory work. Ie: low skilled manual labour. Then agencies set up which actively recruit in certain countries and facilitate their travel over and residency once here.
It's an emotive term that is not Bourne out by the raw statistics, but in going from an extremely low level of non-local residents to ~25% of the population in under 10 years has given people that feeling. And it's not just foreign people,but the industry that springs up to service them, their own shops, pubs etc.
The large increase in overall population has put a strain on the local infrastructure with no additional funding for the area to cope. Schools are over subscribed, doctors, dentist places hard to get. The road system can hardly cope. Nothing specific to being an immigrant, just pure numbers. Exploitation of immigrant workers has allowed employers to drive wages down for local residents too (for the same manual jobs)
Some massive infrastructure spending to allow the town to cope with the increase in population could be a start. I'm sure there could be many other ways for the authorities to try and engage the local population for feedback and try to address issues, but they don't seem to.

I wanted to find out HIS understanding, not yours. Thanks anyway but I am well aware of the answers to my questions, they were intended to gain some indication as to his level of understanding of the situation and what was forming the basis of his opinion.

And i dont appreciate the 'bashing' remark either, i am asking fair and relatively simple questions, as i have said to understand his position and partly to encourage him to consider other points of view and maybe encourage him to research the situation a little and give him a little objectivity.

Of course, now he only has to mirror your opinion, which was what i was trying to avoid.

Freakbro · 15 Oct 2011 at 14:39

Castiel said:
I wanted to find out HIS understanding, not yours. Thanks anyway but I am well aware of the answers to my questions, they were intended to gain some indication as to his level of understanding of the situation and what was forming the basis of his opinion.

Yea but he is what, 15? He doesn't really have an understanding of the wider picture (not as demonstrated by his answers so far) just having his opinion formed by what he hears around him at school.

So I would rather try to give him some wider understanding of the issues by posting some rational answers than trying to ridicule him and make him defensively fall back on the rhetoric he does know.

KatanaDV20 · 15 Oct 2011 at 14:41

regulus said:
Sadly most of the world is still helplessly flapping around the primordial ooze of social evolution

Haha! I want that on a T-shirt

silversurfer · 15 Oct 2011 at 14:44

To be honest, our town is over-run with them, probably out of the 60,000 population 80%+ are not British

Sounds like its too late to me, I'd keep quiet in case they run you out of town all together

Freakbro · 15 Oct 2011 at 14:45

Castiel said:
Actually you posted that the ranger said it was market day and the stallholders wouldn't be turning up. The separation implied by the comma, lack of quotations and the use of the word 'meaning' implies the second part of your post is your opinion, especially in the absence of any other comment or clarification.

So if i were you i would be more careful over what you are intending to imply and i would thank you to stow your attitude.

You may not like the 'bashing' comment but with the above most people would have just said "sorry, I misinterpreted what you said"

So personally I think ripping into a 15y/o due to a misplaced comma, lack of quotations, leading to your own misinterpretation, when others understood what he meant, justifies the comment.

I agree, your last questions were fair, and my replies are nothing I haven't said already in this thread, so he has had ample ability to mirror them already if he wanted too, and it does not stop him formulating his own replies

Castiel · 15 Oct 2011 at 14:46

Freakbro said:
Yea but he is what, 15? He doesn't really have an understanding of the wider picture (not as demonstrated by his answers so far) just having his opinion formed by what he hears around him at school.

So I would rather try to give him some wider understanding of the issues by posting some rational answers than trying to ridicule him and make him defensively fall back on the rhetoric he does know.

I have no idea how old he is, neither should it really matter as he began the thread and should have some interest in this topic for him to do that. As people like Permabanned illustrate, age is no indication of a persons understanding and it would be remiss of me to prejudge him based on his age alone, would it not?

I asked some relatively simple questions, certainly nothing a 15 year old could not answer, there was no ridicule or bashing going on, you just made that up in some attempt to impose your own assumed intellectual and moral superiority.

Castiel · 15 Oct 2011 at 14:49

Freakbro said:
You may not like the 'bashing' comment but with the above most people would have just said "sorry, I misinterpreted what you said"

So personally I think ripping into a 15y/o due to a misplaced comma, lack of quotations, leading to your own misinterpretation, when others understood what he meant, justifies the comment.

As I said, I have no idea how old he is. His bad attitude toward my original post couched my reply and maybe you should take that into consideration before making judgements you clearly are not qualified to make on my intentions especially as I was not the only one to hold such opinions. He could have simply clarified himself, yet he did not, he chose an agressive, adversarial route which I have questioned more than once.

You can hold whatever opinion you like, it matters little to me and neither will it change how I post and frankly I don't believe I did misinterpret his intent at all and regardless of you trying to assert some kind of moral authority I stand by that.

deSade · 15 Oct 2011 at 14:57

I think his intent was apparent from some of the choice language he used to describe the 'immigrants' in his town.

Tibbz2 · 15 Oct 2011 at 14:58

Sorry for any attitude towards early posts, but a lot of stuff has been rather though on me over the past days. Now you will probably say but that shouldn't affect me here, but it did, and that is what happened and I cannot change it.

I made this thread to take my mind off the weeks recent stress; however it seems it has done the complete opposite.

Castiel · 15 Oct 2011 at 15:00

Tibbz2 said:
Sorry for any attitude towards early posts, but a lot of stuff has been rather though on me over the past days. Now you will probably say but that shouldn't affect me here, but it did, and that is what happened and I cannot change it.

I made this thread to take my mind off the weeks recent stress; however it seems it has done the complete opposite.

Fair enough. We all have bad days and get offish from time to time.

Maybe you could give us some insight into how the whole situation affects you and what you woukd like to see happen...

Freakbro · 15 Oct 2011 at 15:04

As people like Permabanned illustrate, age is no indication of a persons understanding and it would be remiss of me to prejudge him based on his age alone, would it not?

Of course not, but his replies over 7 pages already might give you an indication

I asked some relatively simple questions, certainly nothing a 15 year old could not answer, there was no ridicule or bashing going on, you just made that up in some attempt to impose your own assumed intellectual and moral superiority.

The questions were ok, not disputing that. As for your second comment, that is the best laugh I will have today, as there is only one person around here who assumes intellectual and moral superiority

Castiel said:
You can hold whatever opinion you like, it matters little to me and neither will it change how I post and frankly I don't believe I did misinterpret his intent at all and regardless of you trying to assert some kind of moral authority I stand by that.

Good for you!

Anyway, lets get back on topic. I hope we can make him think more about the situation.

Castiel · 15 Oct 2011 at 15:09

Freakbro said:
Of course not, but his replies over 7 pages already might give you an indication

not really, there are many, far older members who hold similar views and articulate them in similar ways.

Castiel · 15 Oct 2011 at 15:10

Freakbro said:
The questions were ok, not disputing that. As for your second comment, that is the best laugh I will have today, as there is only one person around here who assumes intellectual and moral superiority .

I'm glad you agree that you were mistaken and I accept your admission as an apology.....

Tibbz2 · 15 Oct 2011 at 15:13

Castiel said:
Fair enough. We all have bad days and get offish from time to time.

Maybe you could give us some insight into how the whole situation affects you and what you woukd like to see happen...

Thanks for understanding.

Going to school there, and living by the town I have really seen it change over the past 10 years, especially the past 5 years where I guess immigration has been at its highest. It has gone from mainly seeing regular people who I can speak to/understand and almost like regular towns (however Boston was never really the cream of the crop and I know that); to having very few noticeable British citizens as from the street point of view.

Walking to school now is mainly filled with foreign individuals or places with large crowds of them etc. and trying to avoid them incase what may ensue due to some of them being rather violent.

However not all my views on foreigners are in a bad light. Since my parents split my dad has had two foreign girlfriends. One, a Russian who was killed by a foreign drunk driver the day after Valentines day this year.

The other was more recent, and was a Polish individual, who recently returned to Poland to study and see her family.

Both of these were very nice people, and I had no problem with as they could both speak very good English and I could speak to them. However it was still apparent through their experiences at work in the area what other foreigners can be like; rather abusive and nasty people. (Though this does also account for a lot of British residents too.) Like the drunk driver, who turned out to be a nasty piece of work as he would go around beating other people, and in this case killing them while still doing everything he could to escape being bought to justice.

I may have not covered everything, but that is all I can say at this moment, however feel free to interrogate me once again

deSade · 15 Oct 2011 at 15:42

Tibbz2 said:
Thanks for understanding.

Going to school there, and living by the town I have really seen it change over the past 10 years, especially the past 5 years where I guess immigration has been at its highest. It has gone from mainly seeing regular people who I can speak to/understand and almost like regular towns (however Boston was never really the cream of the crop and I know that); to having very few noticeable British citizens as from the street point of view.

Walking to school now is mainly filled with foreign individuals or places with large crowds of them etc. and trying to avoid them incase what may ensue due to some of them being rather violent.

However not all my views on foreigners are in a bad light. Since my parents split my dad has had two foreign girlfriends. One, a Russian who was killed by a foreign drunk driver the day after Valentines day this year.

The other was more recent, and was a Polish individual, who recently returned to Poland to study and see her family.

Both of these were very nice people, and I had no problem with as they could both speak very good English and I could speak to them. However it was still apparent through their experiences at work in the area what other foreigners can be like; rather abusive and nasty people. (Though this does also account for a lot of British residents too.) Like the drunk driver, who turned out to be a nasty piece of work as he would go around beating other people, and in this case killing them while still doing everything he could to escape being bought to justice.

I may have not covered everything, but that is all I can say at this moment, however feel free to interrogate me once again

Good posting, and I can appreciate none of us articulate particularly well all the time - especially when we're going through hard times.

It is obviously different from county to county/town to town, but from my experience in Bristol, we've had a large eastern european community for decades (mainly Polish) & it's always been pretty good. I work with quite a few Polish people and find them usually very nice people who want to work hard & integrate, and am happy to call a number of them friends.

Tibbz2 · 15 Oct 2011 at 15:52

deSade said:
Good posting, and I can appreciate none of us articulate particularly well all the time - especially when we're going through hard times.

It is obviously different from county to county/town to town, but from my experience in Bristol, we've had a large eastern european community for decades (mainly Polish) & it's always been pretty good. I work with quite a few Polish people and find them usually very nice people who want to work hard & integrate, and am happy to call a number of them friends.

Yes totally, some of them are very nice people and hard workers, which does contrast most 'modern day' British citizens who sit on their backside living off benefits.

At least some of these people WANT to work to earn a living.

regulus · 15 Oct 2011 at 16:16

Tibbz2 said:
At least some of these people WANT to work to earn a living.

But ... they still shouldn't be there? Or can the ones that is gainfully employed stay and the unemployment forced to leave?

Pate · 15 Oct 2011 at 16:16

Spent some time in your town tibbez, and my oh my I agree with you on what a **** hole it is.*

Truly terrible. Never going there again.

*The indigenous people were just as bad as the immigrants.

zipp0r · 15 Oct 2011 at 16:31

Tibbz2 said:
Hey Guys,

i know boston, it is aweful for immigrants. out of every 10 people ive walked past, 8 were immigrants speaking a diff language. all of lincolnshire is the same.