Nokia N9

Yeah having had one I'd suggest it would be pretty easy for a phone to be 3 times as good, the question is can another Nokia be 3 times as good?
 
They decided they didn't want it to be a success. They priced it up as a high end smartphone when it isn't, and refused to release it in key markets (for example it's not on offer in; UK, Germany, France, India, USA). It has not place in their strategy anymore so they've killed it. As much as I would love to have one it's an absolute waste of money to buy.

I used to think so too: that they were deliberately "burying" it, but now I'm beginning to see the logic behind it: the markets they released it in are markets where a. Nokia still have very strong brand loyalty, b. where Android/iOS don't yet have huge market penetration, and c. still emerging markets. They have a higher chance of getting Meego to catch on in those markets, and lure in a bunchload of new users and, more importantly, new developers.

As far as whether or not app support is important, well, I've been using the Pre 3 and the Desire Z about the same for the past month or so, and I can honestly say that the only apps I miss when I'm using the Pre 3 are:
a. an MSN messenger app (there's plenty that support it on the app catalogue, but no free ones)
b. a We7 app, for free music streaming.
c. Google Maps (there are maps included on the Pre 3, but Google's are better)
OK, maybe a Soundhound app too, but I don't honestly use it more than occasionally, wouldn't call it a killer feature... :p ESexplorer too, especially for copying files to and from my PC over wifi, but there's probably a decent free (or at least cheap) file manager available for WebOS too, I just haven't found it yet.

So as far as the OP goes, unless you have some 3rd-party app that's really a must-have feature for you, I don't think you'll find being on Meego too onerous. I wouldn't rely on the Alien Dalvik port either, as most "real" Android apps (ie. the ones that have some actually noteworthy functionality rather than just being pre-packaged websites) use native code, and Alien will only run apps written exclusively in Java. Don't worry too much about running Android apps though, cause going by how enthusiastic a hacking community gathered around the N900, I'm betting there'll actually be a lot of cool little things coming out for Meego if you're prepared to dig on enthusiast forums rather htan just rely on the Ovi store.

The phone is undoubtedly spectacular though, the button-free UI looks very convenient and intuitive (it's part of what drew me to WebOS, but Meego seems to perfect it), so for me the only downside is that it's a bit expensive since you can't get it on contract.
 
How hard is it to get this phone! Handtec have a few 64Gb's being released next week but not the 16Gb. Expansys just tweeted saying Nokia havent released the N9's for sale in the UK yet. Is ebay the only way!?
 
How hard is it to get this phone! Handtec have a few 64Gb's being released next week but not the 16Gb. Expansys just tweeted saying Nokia havent released the N9's for sale in the UK yet. Is ebay the only way!?

can i ask, why do you want this particular phone? i have a nokia n8, so im no nokia basher, but i dont see why anyone would want it, especially at the price it is available at.

how much are we talking about for a 64GB? £650?
 
can i ask, why do you want this particular phone? i have a nokia n8, so im no nokia basher, but i dont see why anyone would want it, especially at the price it is available at.

how much are we talking about for a 64GB? £650?

The 16Gb is £515 and 64Gb £574. Pretty eye watering (then again this price will definitely drop if you wait a month). Like I said the N8 has a horrible user experience, I really cant use that OS. Its lunacy spending this much on a phone I agree but I think the OS looks amazing, combined with a decent camera, Im going for it. Part of the reason is the fact that I dont like iOS nor Android (android is a computer, and not a pleasurable phone to use imo). I probably should consider waiting for the decent WP7 phones to come out if I was sensible. If only the Palm Pre 3 had a decent camera Id be all over it.
 
The 16Gb is £515 and 64Gb £574. Pretty eye watering (then again this price will definitely drop if you wait a month). Like I said the N8 has a horrible user experience, I really cant use that OS. Its lunacy spending this much on a phone I agree but I think the OS looks amazing, combined with a decent camera, Im going for it. Part of the reason is the fact that I dont like iOS nor Android (android is a computer, and not a pleasurable phone to use imo). I probably should consider waiting for the decent WP7 phones to come out if I was sensible. If only the Palm Pre 3 had a decent camera Id be all over it.

personally i think that this OS looks a lot like android tbh.

i use android on my fiancee's phone, i have symbian belle beta on my N8 (waiting for the final release) and iOS on my iPod Touch.

if i was looking to spend that kind of money right now, i would be going for the Galaxy S2. The only thing i can think of that this phone really offers over competitors is build quality. Looks like a solid phone, but I do not believe this to be better than my N8 overall, its more of a sidestep than a upgrade imo.

That's why i wont be upgrading my N8 this year, i'll wait for the S3 or Iphone 5 before upgrading. I do not believe Nokia will be able to compete with them unless they go android.
 
Will be good to hear impressions of the phone if you decide to get it!

The whole Meego OS looks very solid, clean and user friendly.
 
personally i think that this OS looks a lot like android tbh.
Have you seen the UI in action? I was highly dubious when I heard that they weren't using the stock Harmattan GUI, but it's clear that what they had up their sleeves was vastly superior - easy one-handed operation, switching between applications with a single swipe, no faffing about with capacitative buttons, integrated communication/news feed, card-like application view in which each window is fully active (Meego is full Linux remember, so REAL multitasking!), if they hadn't been working on this for the past couple of years I'd have said they took all the best features of WebOS 2.2.3 and perfected them.
There's a Nokia guy demoing it in this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSZssHGR-Qg&feature=player_embedded

There've been also some rumours floating around that Nokia plans to carry over this interface to their WP7 phones. Totally unconfirmed as yet, it was just someone reading a blog post where they said that "the Nokia N9 UI innovations will be seen in other Nokia devices going forward" and the announcement of their deal with MS earlier this year in which it was said that Nokia got unprecedented permission to customise WP7, putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. Personally I rather hope they meant they'll continue releasing more Meego phones with this UI tbh.
 
I've never tried another wp7 device so I can't say they're not all the same I was just really surprised by how good the software was and then you add on the Nokia build quality like the e7 or n8 only a good looking completely button free design to that and it just blew me away.

I'm going to say this quietly but I think I preferred it to my 4s!
 
I've never tried another wp7 device so I can't say they're not all the same I was just really surprised by how good the software was and then you add on the Nokia build quality like the e7 or n8 only a good looking completely button free design to that and it just blew me away.

I'm going to say this quietly but I think I preferred it to my 4s!

Yeah I like WP7, the HD7 is nice (bar the camera). But the N9 just sends me silly (looking at the reviews).
 
Cool cool cool! :)

BTW, are those photos of the N800 circulating around genuine? Cause it looks identical to the N9 except for the 3 capacitative buttons at the bottom of the screen. Not like them to recycle a design wholesale like that. Might explain why they didn't release the N9 in most major markets.
 
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