Confused on how SSD set ups work!

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Im upgrading to a new system and I am confused about SSD setups. I got advice that they don't improve fps in games which is logical but if a game needs to stream from the HDD I'll see an improvement and so I have been advised to get a 60gig SSD to install windows for booting and then a standard HDD for storage. My confusion comes from this setup. If I install games to the normal storage HDD how would the SSD help with game streaming? surely the streaming would be from the slower HDD and so the only benefit I'll see from this setup is quicker windows booting?

Can someone please take the time to explain SSD setups lol
 
also loading texture from files and other data that is needed on different levels, so when you have done one level the load time to the next will be shorter.

Also you should have your pagefile.sys on the SSD you will notice the difference.

Stelly
 
games load in chunks and as soon as the next "chunk" has been loaded, the hdd is not needed until the next "chunk"

most multiplayer games use each map as one chunk, so there really is no point putting the game on the ssd as everyone loads the map at the same time, and then plays on the same chunk

i have the OS and my MAIN apps on the SSD:

Windows 7
Chrome
VLC
Avast
Comodo
Office

and my games on the hdd :)
 
no but having your pagefile.sys on it will help... swapping of data from an SSD to RAM and back is a lot faster...

Stelly
 
Im upgrading to a new system and I am confused about SSD setups. I got advice that they don't improve fps in games which is logical but if a game needs to stream from the HDD I'll see an improvement and so I have been advised to get a 60gig SSD to install windows for booting and then a standard HDD for storage. My confusion comes from this setup. If I install games to the normal storage HDD how would the SSD help with game streaming? surely the streaming would be from the slower HDD and so the only benefit I'll see from this setup is quicker windows booting?

Can someone please take the time to explain SSD setups lol

Having games on HD while the OS is on SSD is still an advantage over HD only for a number of reasons (only one of which my brain can remember right now).
The OS will still be doing background tasks which may involve the OS drive. This would slow down any game reads from the drive.
Obviously having games on SSD would be best, but not everyone can afford to do that :)
Not having the OS on the same HD also has fragmentation benefits, it's a lot easier to manage.
To be honest, you can get a noticeable increase in performance just by having multiple HDs, been doing that since well before SSDs were for sale to the masses.
 
I got my 1st SSD for home use a few days ago, a Crucial M4, and last night I got to play BFBC2 on it for the first time. I was expecting faster load times and I wasn't disappointed either, it loads allot more quickly now. But what I wasn't expecting was for the actual game play to be smoother as well. This is purely a subjective assessment, I haven't run any benchmarks yet so I don't claim my fps has improved... And I doubt it has, but its definitely smoother now. I run an i7 920 with a GTX580 so it was pretty smooth previously anyway, but still the SSD has added something on top of that, maybe smoothed out a bit of stutter? Its something that I've yet to quantify to be honest, but still I'm very pleased with.

So I'd recommend getting as large a drive as you can afford and putting your most often played games on it, it will make a difference, no doubt there at all. There are also a bunch of performance tweaks you can make in Windows after you've gotten everything up and running. One of which, if you have the RAM to support it, is to disable your pagefile altogether. It cuts down on some random read / writes that just dirty up the drive anyway.

I found a good post on some performance tweaks on another forum, which I'm re-posting here for posterity. I've implemented them all on my drive and it hasn't broken anything.


Disable indexing
Description: Indexing creates and maintains a database of file attributes. This can lead to multiple small writes when creating/deleting/modifying files. Searching for files will still work.
Instructions: Start Menu -> Right-Click Computer -> Manage -> Services and Applications -> Services - > Right-Click Windows Search -> Startup type: Disabled -> OK

Disable defragmentation

Description: Defragmenting a hard disk's used space is only useful on mechanical disks with multi-millisecond latencies. Free-space defragmentation may be useful to SSDs, but this feature is not available in the default Windows Defragmenter.
Instructions: Start Menu -> Right-Click Computer -> Manage -> Services and Applications -> Services - > Right-Click Disk Defragmenter -> Startup type: Disabled -> OK

Disable Write Caching
Description: There is no cache on the SSD, so there are no benefits to write caching. There are conflicting reports on whether this gains speed or not.
Instructions: Start Menu -> Right-Click Computer -> Manage -> Device Manager -> Disk drives -> Right-Click STEC PATA -> Properties -> Policies Tab -> Uncheck Enable write caching -> OK


Firefox - Use memory cache instead of disk cache

Description: If you use Firefox, there's a way to write cached files to RAM instead of the hard disk. This is not only faster, but will significantly reduce writes to the SSD while using the browser.
Instructions: Open Firefox -> Type about:config into the address bar -> Enter -> double-click browser.cache.disk.enable to set the value to False -> Right-Click anywhere -> New -> Integer -> Preference Name "disk.cache.memory.capacity" -> value memory size in KB. Enter 32768 for 32MB, 65536 for 64MB, 131072 for 128MB, etc. -> restart Firefox

Free up extra drive space

Disable the Page File
Description: Eliminate writing memory to the SSD, free over 2GB of disk space. Warning - If you run out of memory the program you're using will crash.
Instructions: Start Menu -> Right-Click Computer -> Properties -> Advanced System Settings -> Settings (Performance) -> Advanced Tab -> Change -> Uncheck Automatically manage -> No paging file -> Set -> OK -> Restart your computer
Alternatively, if you want to play it safer, you can set a custom size of 200MB min and max.

Disable System Restore
Description: Don't write backup copies of files when installing new programs or making system changes. Can free up between a few hundred MB to a couple GB. Warning - Although unlikely, if a driver installation corrupts your system, there won't be an automatic way to recover.
Instructions: Start Menu -> Right-Click Computer -> Properties -> Advanced System Settings -> System Protection Tab -> Configure -> Turn off system protection -> Delete -> OK

I actually left the above one out, I prefer to have sys restore switched on and then manually manage the restore points so they don't C take up too much space. Ccleaner is your friend for this.

Disable Hibernate
Description: You may free up 1GB of space on the SSD if you have 1GB of memory, 2GB of space if you have 2GB memory. You will lose the hibernation feature which allows the equivalent of quick boots and shutdowns.
Instructions: Start Menu -> Type cmd -> Right-Click the cmd Icon -> Run as Administrator -> Type powercfg -h off -> Type exit
 
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Actually I just found an interesting pdf at samsung that claims...

• 4.4% improvement in average game loading time was obtained.
• 6.4% improvement in frames per second was measured.
• 33.5% improvement on one test and 58.3% on another was realized in system benchmarks.

Some industry analysis paper on the benefits to gaming of an SSD...

http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...ds/SSD_vs_HDD_is_there_a_difference_Rev_3.pdf
 
interesting stuff that..

but yeah you should have enough room for a clean windows install (10GB) and 2-3 games on a 60GB SSD - leave the mechnical SSD for My Docs data, etc.
 
I found a good post on some performance tweaks on another forum, which I'm re-posting here for posterity. I've implemented them all on my drive and it hasn't broken anything...

I just gave these a try on my new SSD. I'd just note that turning off write caching in device manager reduced the 4k write speed in the AS SSD benchmark from 30 down to 2.9 (10 times slower!) so I switched it back on.

Also turning off Windows Search service meant that I can't just type a word in the start menu to find it so I put that back on as well.
 
I just gave these a try on my new SSD. I'd just note that turning off write caching in device manager reduced the 4k write speed in the AS SSD benchmark from 30 down to 2.9 (10 times slower!) so I switched it back on.

Also turning off Windows Search service meant that I can't just type a word in the start menu to find it so I put that back on as well.

Found the same. 4K writes went from 70 to 3.8. Don't disable write caching.

Although I can still search for stuff in the Start Bar with Windows Search off.
 
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