Steve Jobs vowed on the demise of android!

No Steve died of cancer, iOS is still going strong and still sells a ridiculous number of handsets. Apple is still the number one brand in the world and as a brand is worth more than any other. I'm not seeing a failure anywhere.


Google doesnt make handsets or phones so you cant compare that with Apple.

Android is an operating system just like iOS.

Last i check Android has a bigger market share........
 
I have a Windows Phone 7 device. What do I win?

One of these:

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Erm that's rubbish. Why don't you take the Windows mobile phones (e.g. XDAs) which had near full bezel touchscreens and then claim iPhone copied?

It annoys me so much that people think the iPhone was the shining white knight of numerous "innovations", many of which were on phones >10 years ago...

I have always say it and will say it again. Apple are the best marketing firm in the world. They could sell a toaster for £999 to millions. Are the best technology firm in the world? Not sure, there is hardly anything ground breaking hardware wise, the only Apple devices of recent which I have enjoyed owning was the original iPod and my iPad which I love. Everything else, meh.

Ah halcyon days when everyone used an XDA and there was no such thing as global warming.

Apple quite literally created the consumer smart phone market. Tell me about winmo as much as you like but literally no one used or liked it. I had a windows phone and it went back after 2 weeks in favour of a 3310 which was actually usable.

Apple realised that you cannot put a desktop OS onto a mobile and expect it to work; especially with a **** resistive touch screen.

What things did apple steal from XDA pray tell?
 
He has up to $6.6 billion in stock, $2.2b of Apple Stock and he wife 'founded College Track, a program that pairs disadvantaged students with mentors who help them earn college degrees.' so it is expected she will oversee his fortune around education.

But that doesn't matter, because he was an evil dictator etc. and should be frowned upon because he hasn't publicly declared what donations he's made. Damn, what a ****! :rolleyes:

So he hasn't really given anything then, his wife has. No need for the roll eyes either and you still haven't shown any evidence HE has done with his wealth.
 
Meh, they're just phones :p

I'd rather have a choice than an Apple monopoly. Apple do seem to be shooting themselves in the foot though, banning products using Android in certain countries will only generate negative press and attitude against them. Apple has been marketing its products at liberal, free thinking and fashionable consumers but it seems that it's own corporate views and actions are at odds with that image. If Apple continues to throw its weight around like an all powerful ruthless corporation it may well drive away those people that it has worked so hard to attract.

I spent a long time debating between an iPhone and an Android phone earlier this year, I went for an iPhone in the end as I just preferred using it. However I'm liking Apple less and less as a company the more this playground bickering in the courts goes on.
Let the products do the talking and consumers will make the choice.
 
Google doesnt make handsets or phones so you cant compare that with Apple.

Android is an operating system just like iOS.

Last i check Android has a bigger market share........

It still doesn't translate into a failure. Not by any lengths. Steve Jobs is dead, yes, but Apple is not. (Post your ninja edit) I guess in context of personally attempting to stamp out Android, indeed he did fail but in terms of a business and in terms of leaving a legacy he most certainly did not.

Look I didn't like the guy, at all, but I do have a respect for him and for what he's done. I also have a respect for the legacy he's left behind him with utterly changing the way that devices are designed and proving that both form and function can go hand in hand. I just don't see that he was in any real measurable way that matters a failure.
 
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Doesn't surprise me, thats all these rich men do, try to become more richer, a little competition never hurt nobody.

You cant take it with you.

They get so rich, hit 50s and think "what have I done" then proceed to give all the money to charity because of their over priced goods that they sold.
 
@fez

I have been over this discussion many time before :p, just read that thread that the post with reasons as to why I don't like apple links to as I really cba typing all this again and then state what you think/what to say to me :p

Just been over it a hundred times now.


Although for the prices, I don't think you can say "little petty".

Take the iphone 4 and GS 2 from somewhere beginning with P:

iphone 4 16GB- £440

Galaxy S 2 - £420

You can probably get the devices somewhere else for a good bit cheaper especially the GS 2

Now compare the hardware and how old the devices are? You are telling me that the iphone 4 is perfectly fine at that price?

And then take the 4s, it is no better than the GS 2 overall except the GPU really, battery life and the camera and video recording are pretty much equal, same for the screen in some ways as well.

And the contract prices are even worst!

I kind of still think that its petty as you are comparing apples and oranges.

Samsung make a mobile phone - What shall we put in it?

Apple make a phone - what shall we put in it and what are we doing with the software.

A company that has stores world wide with a large number of staff, makes the OS its hardware runs on and spends a large amount of time on R&D compared to a company that builds a phone from components available at the time and puts a little jazz on androids current OS.

I am not saying that either method is definitive but to say that the iphone should cost less is over simplification.


If you don't like the price of something then don't buy it but if you are doing a comparison of 2 items then you cannot decide which is better based on price unless they both do exactly the same things.
 
Interesting that this thread is fairly negative towards Steve Jobs and yet his 'RIP' thread was nothing short of idolatry.

Because any mild joke saw the poster banned or at least the post deleted and people for the most part have the decency not to **** up a dead mans thread especially when they are told explicitly that this isn't the thread for anything other than condolences.

The Chinese people probably have a lot of nice things to say about the Chinese government when they are sitting in a bar in Shanghai too.
 
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Ah halcyon days when everyone used an XDA and there was no such thing as global warming.

Apple quite literally created the consumer smart phone market. Tell me about winmo as much as you like but literally no one used or liked it. I had a windows phone and it went back after 2 weeks in favour of a 3310 which was actually usable.

Apple realised that you cannot put a desktop OS onto a mobile and expect it to work; especially with a **** resistive touch screen.

What things did apple steal from XDA pray tell?

"Erm that's rubbish. Why don't you take the Windows mobile phones (e.g. XDAs) which had near full bezel touchscreens and then claim iPhone copied? "

You can argue they all copy each other, which they do and have done for years and years.

Apple are a marketing firm. They're hugely profitable mainly because they are good at convincing people to pay £1000 for something that probably costs them £100 to make.
 
Apples control of iOS and OSX is down to stringent control of the user experience. I'm sure it does their help desks wonders for not having to deal with a vast array of different hardware configs. I can't help but wonder how much money they'd make if OSX was freely available to non Apple hardware users... I'd consider using it, if only in dual boot...

Android as no problems functioning exactly the same on all the devices it's on. Only HTC has a 'Home Screen' that was completely up to them to add, they didn't have to.

And if iOS5 was released i don't think anyone would use it on their phones because Android is so much more customizable, my OH's iPhone 4 is fairly dull to use in comparison.
 
So he hasn't really given anything then, his wife has. No need for the roll eyes either and you still haven't shown any evidence HE has done with his wealth.

Those eyes were not for you, but to the general consensus, but nobody knows what he has done/hasn't done, but that is enough to lambast him as an evil **** because he hasn't said.


Aren't you the guy with a Steve Jobs doll? :rolleyes: Freaky...

haha yeah I am, problem? actually I sent it to someone else on here as a birthday present. :D
 
Why are there sooooooo many **** takes in the form of pics and videos (that pretty much cover all the things that I mentioned) of apples methods but yet for other companies there are virtually none?

That's actually a pretty good question, but probably not for reasons you intend.

Samsung for example have become infamous on a global level for their corrupt business practices. They've been accused in Asia of everything from bribery of politicians, judges and media, to money laundering and tax evasion. Samsung's Chairman was sentenced to 3 years in prison for corruption before conveniently receiving a presidential pardon in order to "help prepare South Korea's 2018 olympic bid" (yet is suspended from any IOC meetings for 5 years).

Does this stuff ever even get posted about on these forums? What would the reaction be if Apple were accused of the same things and Steve Jobs received a prison sentence? And why the difference? Why don't people on here talk about refusing to buy Samsung products due to their business practices?

(Please note that this is in no way written as a defense of Apple's business practices!)
 
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"Erm that's rubbish. Why don't you take the Windows mobile phones (e.g. XDAs) which had near full bezel touchscreens and then claim iPhone copied? "

You can argue they all copy each other, which they do and have done for years and years.

Apple are a marketing firm. They're hugely profitable mainly because they are good at convincing people to pay £1000 for something that probably costs them £100 to make.

I was reading somewhere that there is a 50%+ profit margin on each handset - and then they make extra on the contract... if there's anything you can take away from that it's that they know how to get money out of people.
 
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