Occupy London! Here we go again!

PermaBanned said:
Maybe that's because you go into any conversation having already made up your mind that you're not going to listen to anyone/change your opinion.
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Why should you be listened to when most of what you say is either hyperbole, exaggeration, straw man or just downright false. I know I've said this before, but you cannot talk and act like you do and then bemoan others for not opening their ears to you.

Sure, i get it, you're comfortable, ignorance is bliss yada yada. What you don't seem to grasp here is that you're the lucky one. You wouldn't be so quick to defend Capitalism if you had been born in a 'third world' country.
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I don't think Fox is lucky. He is, of course, like me and you in the 99% ;) (Actually, we're all in at the very least the top 8%, but that isn't as funny).
 
[TW]Fox;20409669 said:
He's reached the rare point on an internet forum where his posts are just increasingly frustrating. It's like a stuck record - although this is nothing new on the internet, heck many would level the charge at me, there seems to be no base for anything he says beyond his own weird understanding of how things work. I'm not the only one to have noticed it.
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It's not just him really, the protesters and the topic seemingly. Not just you to be fair however, I just picked you randomly. They aren't inconveniencing you personally, yet you still seem to really abhore them. But I just don't understand it, I've seen lots of far out protests and some more realistic or rational but I've never felt as riled by them.

[TW]Fox;20409669 said:
He seems incapable of realising that some of us are entirely happy with the notion that we go to work, earn money, and buy stuff with it. We like that. I like giving money I've earnt to capitalist corporations in return for often meaningless consumer crap. As do millions of other people.
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So do I. I think in fairness he probably does realise it. It doesn't mean you can't question things however, people who perhaps don't have the answer still have that entitlement.
 
PermaBanned said:
Correct me if i misunderstand you, but you're saying that the reason his points about something aren't valid is because you think something differently? Do you actually understand the concept of debate?
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Did you read my post or did you just see 'not valid points' and then skipped the rest?

I've said why they're not valid points or counterarguments - they're just notable exceptions.

It's the equivalent of saying 'of course capitalism and multinational corporations are a good force for society - look at Tata'. That's not a valid point because Tata is a notable exception. It's just blatantly inaccurate to try and represent multinational corporatism with a notable exception, just like it is blatantly inaccurate to represent the efficiency of production of the Soviet Union (above capitalism) with an AK-47 or Tetris.
 
PermaBanned said:
You wouldn't be so quick to defend Capitalism if you had been born in a 'third world' country.
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None of us were.

So this is suddenly about defending the rights of those in third world countries? Keep moving those goalposts.

The only way for everyone on the planet to have the same quality of life is to significant reduce our own - even you. The planet cannot support 7 billion people living the sort of lifestyles the average person in the UK lives.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
Did you read my post or just see 'not valid points' and then skipped over? I've said why they're not valid points or counterarguments - they're just notable exceptions.

It's the equivalent of saying 'of course capitalism and multinational corporations are a good force for society - look at Tata'. That's not a valid point because Tata is a notable exception.
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If those are exceptions then do you have any proof for... you know, the rule? Assuming by exceptions you mean valid points and by the rule you mean that Biohazzard is a troll.

Incidentally, i think it's worth pointing out that people 'like' Biohazzard (and to an extent Castiel... not that i mean they're much alike, but in their attitudes towards myself) are far more likely to influence me/change my opinions than people like Dolph or Fox. That could be partially down to the fact that there's less of a split between my views and theirs, but i think it's mostly to do with the fact that they actually acknowledge me and don't (well, not to start with at least :D) throw petty insults about because everybody doesn't have exactly the same opinion or bias as yourself.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
It's just blatantly inaccurate to try and represent multinational corporatism with a notable exception, just like it is blatantly inaccurate to represent the efficiency of production of the Soviet Union (above capitalism) with an AK-47 or Tetris.
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You haven't read what I've written or got my intention either. Especially when I specifically mentioned poor efficiency in reference to the games successors.

The way the arguments are presented in hyperbole and in terms of being nearly absolute one way or the other, is not a rationale debate. I'm pointing out just how unrefined some of the arguments are. I'm arguing myself here, not anyone elses point.
 
I dont think pointing out you are 16 is a petty insult - it's a material fact that absolutely has a massive effect on the weight your views have. You've not even had a job yet but feel able to speak with authority on the way things like work should be done and accuse those who have and do work as being 'slaves'.

This is not really a 'fault' of yours though. I was exactly like it at the same age probably on this forum. Nobody could tell me - I was right because I'd read it on the internet. I'd wade into arguments in Motors and argue for WEEKS with people who had been buying, owning and driving cars for YEARS when I'd simply borrowed my mums a few times and had only just passed my test.

Wow I cringe when I think about it.

You are in the same place only instead of cars its capitalism.
 
PermaBanned said:
but i think it's mostly to do with the fact that they actually acknowledge me and don't (well, not to start with at least :D) throw petty insults about because everybody doesn't have exactly the same opinion or bias as yourself.
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In all honesty, unfairly or not, I tend not to give you the full acknowledgement you want because your points come across as naive and underdeveloped (of course I acknowledge you, but you're right - I skip over a lot).

Maybe I misread your posting style, or maybe the way you talk rubs me the wrong way. Or, maybe it is my gut telling me it isn't worth returning your ball because I won't get a considered and rational response back.

In fairness to me, my perception isn't helped when you use bull**** and false logic to back up your arguments, though (you've been called out on this by people several times before).
 
I wonder how long i'll continue to be 16 for :rolleyes:

But that's not what i was referring to.

It's not like i'm proposing something drastically new or unheard of. I just have an opinion about which proposal i think is best. Which is more than can be said for most people my age, unfortunately.
 
LabR@t said:
protesters don't have to sit in each tent do they? they were probably gathered just out of shot. Also in footage a man is seen walking past reading a newspaper ( in the dark at night?) Its manufactured propaganda simple as.
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Headtorch?
 
[TW]Fox;20409905 said:
I dont think pointing out you are 16 is a petty insult - it's a material fact that absolutely has a massive effect on the weight your views have. You've not even had a job yet but feel able to speak with authority on the way things like work should be done and accuse those who have and do work as being 'slaves'.

This is not really a 'fault' of yours though. I was exactly like it at the same age probably on this forum. Nobody could tell me - I was right because I'd read it on the internet. I'd wade into arguments in Motors and argue for WEEKS with people who had been buying, owning and driving cars for YEARS when I'd simply borrowed my mums a few times and had only just passed my test.

Wow I cringe when I think about it.

You are in the same place only instead of cars its capitalism.
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In which case then debating with him and trying to make him see your way of things is futile (which is ironic because that's eactly what he said above about anyone arguing with him). Surely the best thing would be to ignore him completely and let him live a little in the hope that he looks back in X years and thinks "lolme". I wonder how often people like PB get outside and experience the real world though. Sat inside "educating" yourself through the internet on such big issues can skew and pollute your mind in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, it's a great asset, but it's also responsible for a great deal of BS.
 
You know, you dont have to work to realise or understand capitalism.

The only thing you realise in work is, you do it, you get payed, you continue to live under a roof, with food, heating, electricity and other modern "essentials"

Mind you that's just the basics, depending on if you actually like your job/its what you wanted to do (office pencil pushers...i just highly doubt it, unless people like being dull for the rest of their life) then progression and learning more come into it, with its own happiness attached.

If the protesters were legitimately complaining without ignorance, about say the wealth/worth of someones labour in comparison to what they get for that labour...then it might be more accepted by the general populace.

It might seem subjective, but thats only due to the laziness that has fallen onto the population in the last 50 years, getting all fat and complacent with their dull lives.

/meh
 
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