Retread tyres

Will Gill · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:35

4MIT said:
And that claim is substantiated by what?

what do you want a picture of my car stacked into a wall from a disintegrated re-tread related accident? that won't happen because I'm not an idiot.

just google it for your "proof" or perhaps stop short of that and listen to everyone but you in this thread telling you not to bother.

you can lead a horse to water.....

[TW]Fox · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:37

I've driven numerous cars on crap tyres - mostly as a result of cheapskate car hire companies and the experiences are not good. A remould isn't even as good as a cheap new tyre.

4MIT · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:37

Kenai said:
At the end of the day, if you're just after someone to tell you what you want to hear, this isn't the place you're going to get it.

For whatever reason you're obviously wanting the retreads, you're looking for absolutely any excuse you can find to justify them, be it eco friendliness, being a tight git or something else, frankly I doubt any of us really give a **** why but you've had pretty much everyone tell you not to bother.

Take it or leave it, but the advice isn't going to change.

Im not after "someone to tell me what I ant to hear" I asked the question to find out if retreads were a valid option or not, and people to back up their sides with some evidence or facts.

I am aware new tyres are not a lot more, I just want to explore what retreads have to offer.

4MIT · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:38

[TW]Fox;20441983 said:
I've driven numerous cars on crap tyres - mostly as a result of cheapskate car hire companies and the experiences are not good. A remould isn't even as good as a cheap new tyre.

Understood, is that down to poorer quality rubber and tread pattern?

fadetoblack · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:38

Many years ago my friend had a blow out in his XR3i on the motorway.
It nealy killed my sister and guess what all his tyres were remoulds. The tight ####

[TW]Fox · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:39

4MIT said:
Understood, is that down to poorer quality rubber and tread pattern?

Yes - these are the two things which define a tyres performance.

As I said the difference between the remoulds you have found and one of the class leading best tyres in your size from one of the worlds best manufacturers is just £20 a tyre.

Thats it.

£20.

You can just about buy a Dominos for that. Or you can move from remoulds to a quality, safe, decent tyre.

SB118 · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:39

4MIT said:
As I said earlier, I am interested in your experiences of them being dangerous and not good. What was it that made them substandard? Please expand.

They won't grip like good tyres, they won't flex like good tyres, they won't brake like good tyres.

As you know you get what you pay for, how can £20/per tyre equate to any sort of quality?

Luke · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:39

[head above the parapet]
I use remoulds on the Disco and in 4x4 circles the likes of Insa and Kingpin are considered very highly as an alternative. I've been running Insa Rangers which are a clone of BFG A/T's for about a year now. In terms of handling there is no noticeable difference, but that said when is handling really ever a true test of a 4x4? Grip levels are no different in the dry or the wet. Obviously this my personal opinion and not an objective comparative test, but it's not overhyping the Insa's to justify them either.
Off road they are as good as the others and the only negative that I can find any evidence (either personally or from other reviews) of is that they wear slightly faster.

For a 100% road car though, I'd never consider them though. Possibly double standards.
[/head above the parapet]

4MIT · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:40

Will Gill said:
what do you want a picture of my car stacked into a wall from a disintegrated re-tread related accident? that won't happen because I'm not an idiot.

just google it for your "proof" or perhaps stop short of that and listen to everyone but you in this thread telling you not to bother.

you can lead a horse to water.....

Evidence.... Oh wait another poster blowing hot air, are retreads more likely to catastrophically fail, and what do you have to back that opinion other than your one experience?

PS I know of 4 people who have had dangerous blow outs, none were retreads...

Kenai · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:40

4MIT said:
Understood, is that down to poorer quality rubber and tread pattern?

Well what do you think?

Do you think the company buying worn tyres, grinding the carcass down and gluing new tread on are using rubber of the same quality as Continental with a tread pattern that has had millions poured into R&D?

[TW]Fox · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:41

4MIT said:
PS I know of 4 people who have had dangerous blow outs, none were retreads...

I don't even know anyone using remoulds. Infact beyond jokes on internet forums its something you rarely hear anyone doing. Most people will go for second hand tyres before remoulds and that tells you everything :eek:

SB118 · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:44

Kenai · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:45

"New: A brand-new, unused tyre that has never been mounted on a vehicle"

Surely they can't advertise the tyres like that, given that they very clearly have been mounted on a vehicle before, possibly even multiple times, by the very nature of being a retread?

4MIT · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:48

[TW]Fox;20442020 said:
I don't even know anyone using remoulds. Infact beyond jokes on internet forums its something you rarely hear anyone doing. Most people will go for second hand tyres before remoulds and that tells you everything

The biggest thing that shouts out to me is the lack of people using the technology. I know take up on some brilliant ideas can be poor due to misconceptions and the rest. But I assume this technology has been around for a while, and if it was a genuine viable alternative, surely the pick up in such a huge market would have been larger and their would be more manufacturers out there.

The cost aspect doesn't ring alarm bells, the difference in quantities of raw materials and energy that go into making retreads and brand new tyres could account for that. they will also be priced keenly to try get some pick up in the market.

However I haven't seen a single bit of factual (beyond circumstantial) evidence to back either side, beyond a British Standard being assigned to retreads to ensure quality.

Will Gill · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:48

4MIT said:
Evidence.... Oh wait another poster blowing hot air, are retreads more likely to catastrophically fail, and what do you have to back that opinion other than your one experience?

PS I know of 4 people who have had dangerous blow outs, none were retreads...

great, have a nice life, probably a shorter one due to you considering putting re-treads on your car

Try here for like minded people

[TW]Fox · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:51

4MIT said:
The cost aspect doesn't ring alarm bells, the difference in quantities of raw materials and energy that go into making retreads and brand new tyres could account for that. they will also be priced keenly to try get some pick up in the market.

Errr my point was that at 20 quid a tyre they are barely any cheaper therefore it isnt worth the bother, not that they are loads cheaper!!

However I haven't seen a single bit of factual (beyond circumstantial) evidence to back either side, beyond a British Standard being assigned to retreads to ensure quality.

British Standard means nothing. Various chinese tyres meet the British Standard yet in proper tyre tests on new tyres the difference in wet braking distance from the speed limit between the best and worst tyre on test can be many car lengths!

4MIT · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:54

Will Gill said:
great, have a nice life, probably a shorter one due to you considering putting re-treads on your car

Try here for like minded people

What's that, you missed the post requesting something to substantiate your claims? Evidently so...

[TW]Fox · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:55

4MIT said:
What's that, you missed the post requesting something to substantiate your claims? Evidently so...

Why don't you substantiate your claims?

Thats generally what you have to do when you hold a viewpoint that is unique amongst a group of people.

SB118 · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:56

4MIT said:
What's that, you missed the post requesting something to substantiate your claims? Evidently so...

I responded to your request and told you how bad they are.

Do you still want retreads?

Let me guess, you've bought a £9.99 socket set to do your repairs with too, because they wouldn't be allowed to sell those sorts of tools if they were crap, would they ....

Will Gill · 30 Oct 2011 at 19:56

tell you what, go post in the overclocking forum about your desire to clock a processor without a heatsink, something which is perfectly possible but doomed to failure. Then carry on your abnormal desire for factual responses.

nobody has done it because its retarded, much like your inability to comprehend our universal advice